RE: [asa] Two questions...

Hi James, you wrote:

So, I have to admit it.there are some issues there. But Dick, the biggest
problem I see is Tubal-Cain and bronze/iron tools - why didn't you point
that out instead of tents, musical instruments, etc?

I'm not sure exactly what you are asking. The Bronze and Iron ages mark the
earliest dates where we have evidence that smelting was used which requires
ovens and temperatures much higher than that required to simply bake bread.

Do you remember the "Ice Man" who rolled out of the Tyrolean Alps in 1991?
His body was radio carbon dated to 5,200 years ago (pre-flood date) and he
had an axe made of "secondary copper." The Hebrew nekh-o'-sheth (Gen. 4:22)
means either copper or bronze. Iron tools can be fashioned by simply
beating bog iron into useable shapes, no smelting required. So it is
entirely possible that earlier than 5000 years ago the Akkadians and
Sumerians possessed the ability to fashion copper and iron tools.

As to the RTB "timeline," move Abraham to ca. 2000 BC. Nobody puts Abraham
at 4000 BC. You can check that out easily. Move the flood to ca. 3000 BC
and Adam would be about 2,000 years earlier than that. The Septuagint has
2,262 years between Adam and the flood. Outside of that the rest of the
dates look fairly decent.

Dick Fischer, GPA president

Genesis Proclaimed Association

"Finding Harmony in Bible, Science and History"

www.genesisproclaimed.org

-----Original Message-----
From: James Patterson [mailto:james000777@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:56 PM
To: 'Dick Fischer'; 'ASA'
Subject: RE: [asa] Two questions...

See enclosed timeline - made into a jpeg image from a spreadsheet. I just
spent the past several hours compiling this from various sources. I do
apologize if some dates are off a bit - various sources differ. There seems
to be a broad range of time that may be considered "Mesolithic" - but that's
another story.

Anyway, Genesis 4-6 is where I am looking. The problem I see is Genesis
4:20-22. This verse puts Tubal-Cain before Noah.and he (or perhaps his
descendants) forged tools of bronze and iron. Now that puts us way the heck
up there.1-3 KBC. Before the flood, and Adam was still alive. Or the ancient
Jews were putting things out of order again (Gen 1 vs. Gen 2), but that's
about a 38 KBC breadth of time!

So:

Bronze Age 3 KBC, Iron Age 1.1 KBC, Tubal-Cain: 39 KBC.

Earliest known domesticated sheep: 11 KBC, Abel: ~39.5 KBC.

Earliest known grain gathering: 17 KBC, Cain: ~39.5 KBC.

Earliest large settlements: 6 KBC, Cain building a "city": ~39.5 KBC.

Earliest known musical instruments: 30 KBC, descendants of Jubal: ~39 KBC.

(earliest known *stringed* musical instruments: 2.6 KBC)

So, I have to admit it.there are some issues there. But Dick, the biggest
problem I see is Tubal-Cain and bronze/iron tools - why didn't you point
that out instead of tents, musical instruments, etc?

So, I am still searching for answers to this.

JP

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Received on Wed Feb 11 15:31:08 2009