RE: [asa] Yes -- the YECs are still winning

But you can't leave off,
> or which acknowledges the
> unresolved discrepancy between scientific data and a young-earth position.
However,
> claims that scientific data affirm a young earth do not meet the
> criterion of integrity in science.

Where the claim is made that the data would actually suggest a YE, would not
be endorsed, as it does not meet the criterion of integrity in science. I
can't remember who wrote this on the list, but it nail that sentiment
beautifully.

"I believe we need to be clear in such discussions that as Christians, we
believe in the possibility of God doing miracles, which are beyond any human
explanation. The point here, though, is truthfulness. It is disingenuous
to say "science proves" Young-Earth Creation, when in the end it's not
science that proves it, but rather some highly contrived and speculative
miraculous events that are neither witnessed in the scriptural record nor by
any observable evidence. If you want to believe that "God did it" in a
certain way, and ignore the scientific evidence, then at least be honest and
admit this is a purely theological conclusion. I don't believe God is going
to condemn a person who is ignorant of the scientific facts and simply
chooses to believe a theological assertion of God as Creator. However,
lying about what science actually "proves" is not something a Christian
should do. If one is going to claim a scientifically verifiable explanation
(or even invoke an unproved hypothesis), then there needs to be a forthright
acknowledgement of the scientific evidence or lack thereof."

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On Behalf Of Dehler, Bernie
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
> To: asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: RE: [asa] Yes -- the YECs are still winning
>
>
> " Accordingly, the ASA neither endorses nor opposes young-earth
> creationism which recognizes the possibility of a recent creation
> with appearance of age..."
>
> OK- so it could be true after all. The ASA, as a group of
> scientifically-minded Christian people, would not tolerate any
> travesties (or lies or errors) done in science in the name of
> Christ; so since they don't oppose it, it could be a viable option.
>
> Yes, RATE is denounced, but not YEC in general.
>
> ...Bernie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of Randy Isaac
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:25 PM
> To: asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: Re: [asa] Yes -- the YECs are still winning
>
> Bernie wrote:
> > But even the ASA doesn't have a position against YEC, so maybe
> it is true?
> > ;-)
>
> From PSCF June 2007 Vol. 59 No. 2 p. 143-146
>
> "The ASA does not take a position on issues when there is honest
> disagreement among Christians provided there is adherence to our
> statement
> of faith and to integrity in science. Accordingly, the ASA
> neither endorses
> nor opposes young-earth creationism which recognizes the possibility of a
> recent creation with appearance of age or which acknowledges the
> unresolved
> discrepancy between scientific data and a young-earth position. However,
> claims that scientific data affirm a young earth do not meet the
> criterion
> of integrity in science. Any portrayal of the RATE project as confirming
> scientific support for a young earth contradicts the RATE project's own
> report. The ASA can and does oppose such deception."
>
>
>
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