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On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:20:39 +0900 Michael Roberts
<michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>Iain
>
>I am glad you chuckle. If I am wrong please tell me but I thought
>you were
>using the idea of an angelic fall to result in evil in the natural
>world to
>explain suffering before humans.
Sorry, I was unclear. I was thinking that if satan's fall preceded
Man's fall then one cannot assume that there was not suffering or
pain or even evil already present in the physical world. The 2 are
not necessarily linked - Satans fall is not what MUST have caused
suffering in the natural world. Simply...if he was evil and present
before eden than we cannot assume that all was rosy on planet earth
either. In any event, I use these terms somewhat loosely as common
points of reference.
I tend to think of the genesis story as highly symbolic....not
literal so when I speak of pre and post eden I am speaking non-
literally.
>
>That has been held by quite a few but I consider it to raise a lot
>of
>questions. It assumes pain is evil, - it is also a good warning
>device, and
>that nothing should ever die unless evil comes into the equation.
>I question
>that assumption.
Indeed, I have made the argument that death is actually a blessing -
but sin has added the pain element and made death something to be
feared.
>
>Further we are then forced to ask - if we think it through - are
>pain-inflicting creatures evil - like predators and so to recreate
>Eden we
>should kill them. some actually argue this.
I cans ee that argument. Scarey!
>
>As for myself I accept that suffering and death preceded humans
>and that
>there is no connexion between Genesis 3 and all suffering , but as
>for the
>cause or rationale of suffering before humans I have no answer. I
>can live
>with that.
Funny. Me too. I have always been a stoic and justa ccepted some
thing are and are not knowable
IW
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