Re: [asa] Yet again i seek help (Iain s???)

Iain

I am glad you chuckle. If I am wrong please tell me but I thought you were
using the idea of an angelic fall to result in evil in the natural world to
explain suffering before humans.

That has been held by quite a few but I consider it to raise a lot of
questions. It assumes pain is evil, - it is also a good warning device, and
that nothing should ever die unless evil comes into the equation. I question
that assumption.

Further we are then forced to ask - if we think it through - are
pain-inflicting creatures evil - like predators and so to recreate Eden we
should kill them. some actually argue this.

As for myself I accept that suffering and death preceded humans and that
there is no connexion between Genesis 3 and all suffering , but as for the
cause or rationale of suffering before humans I have no answer. I can live
with that.

Michael

PS I notice we discussed this 15 months ago!
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Subject: Re: [asa] Yet again i seek help (Iain s???)

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> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:57:57 +0900 Michael Roberts
> <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>>I simply don't see what Satan has to do with pain and suffering
>>before the
>>Fall.
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> <Chuckle> I am not used to be "disagreed" with by someone I am
> actually basically in agreement with. I think we are talking at x-
> purposes. Satan is evil. He is involved in humans becoming
> seperated from God. That si the evila nd suffering to which I
> refer.
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> If he caused it we would be able to scientific work and work
>>out
>>whether canine teeth were made by Satan and molars by God.
>
> Ummm...no.
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> Think
>>that one
>>through carefully. Further shouldn't we get rid of predators as
>>they were
>>created by Satan and is part of our redemptive work of reversing
>>the Fall -
>>that has been said.
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> Umm...no. I never said or suggested they are Satans creation! My
> point is that suffering/pain clearly predates the eden account.
> Anything else is your addition!
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> IW
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