Re: [asa] Yet again i seek help (Iain s???)

I simply don't see what Satan has to do with pain and suffering before the
Fall. If he caused it we would be able to scientific work and work out
whether canine teeth were made by Satan and molars by God. Think that one
through carefully. Further shouldn't we get rid of predators as they were
created by Satan and is part of our redemptive work of reversing the Fall -
that has been said.

These ideas come from the wrong understanding of the Fall of Lucifer
(Isaiah) but is not based on the passage but a fanciful interpretation.

We do better to say there was pain before the Fall, we cannot call that Evil
and be agnostic on why. the fall of Lucifer creates even bigger theological
problems

Michael
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> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:32:17 +0900 Michael Roberts
> <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>>Iain
>>
>>You focus on the major problem of evolution/creation on
>>theological grounds.
>>
>>Viz; was there any suffering , animal or human before the Fall.
> <SNIP>
>>Second; if there was no suffering before the Fall then T Rex
>>couldn't have
>>been shredding herbivores 100 million years ago
>
> Exactly! I agree with you. I think suffering does predate the eden
> story. One of those reasons is theological - Satan was satan before
> the eden story - the fall. And satan was loose on earth, a dominion
> ceded to him by the Creator. It seems to me that evil was already
> running loose. :)
>
>>
>>Without going into any detail. I don't think the biblical material
>>demands
>>no death before the Fall and as the evidence for an ancient earth
>>is totally
>>overwhelming that supports it. This is why I bang on about the
>>geology and
>>deep time rather than cascading clotting blood (sounds very gory)
>
> Good points!
>
> Iain
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