RE: [asa] Flat Earth in earlier Christendom

I would concur in that it wasn't necessarily "taught" as a doctrine because
it was an idea that was already believed to be the case by the writers and
their audiences, so anytime a reference is made to the earth's structure, it
is always in the ANE framework. What gets me is when Christians argue that
the Bible is somehow written with an accurate 21st Century cosmology. .

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> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On Behalf Of George Cooper
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> Subject: RE: [asa] Flat Earth in earlier Christendom
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> Regarding the Job quote, you said: True, being one of the oldest
> writings if
> not the oldest, it's not
> surprising since it was a prevailing view.
>
> A great point since the book of Job likely predates Aristotle by a 1000
> years or more.
>
>
> You said: Sway him of what? That the Bible *taught* a spherical
> earth? Their
> convictions of a spherical earth were not revealed from scripture, were
> they? Respect in that sense would hardly be warranted, would it?
>
> The problem is that he is convinced the Bible teaches a flat
> earth (at least
> in the past) and those that say it doesn't are revisionists. My
> argument is
> that it doesn't teach a flat or spherical Earth since the Bible is not a
> science book, but that too is considered revisionist by him.
>
> Coope
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
> > Behalf Of skrogh.
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:19 PM
> > To: ASA
> > Subject: RE: [asa] Flat Earth in earlier Christendom
> >
> >
> > Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king "saw a tree of great height at the
> > centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and
> visible to the
> > earth's farthest bounds."
> >
> > The question is not about this verse *teaching* a Flat Earth, as
> > say a tenet
> > of scripture. But rather, why would vision of a setting that could only
> > occur in a flat earth model, be used in the first place? It is not
> > surprising at all considering ANE Cosmologies that people already
> > believed.
> > It is this model of cosmos and the earth that makes the description of
> > seeing the tree at the center of the Earth from its farthest
> bounds makes
> > actual sense.
> >
> > http://home.messiah.edu/~kbauer/
> >
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
> > Behalf Of George Cooper
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:56 PM
> > To: ASA
> > Subject: Re: [asa] Flat Earth in earlier Christendom
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> >
> > Thanks Gordon
> >
> > Ah ha! The Daniel verse is a close match to the idea of climbing a tall
> > tree to see the edge of the Earth, but it was a vision (per
> verse 10) and
> > hardly justifies the claim by anyone that the Bible is advocating a flat
> > Earth.
> >
> >
> > Coope
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: gordon brown <Gordon.Brown@Colorado.EDU>
> > To: asa@calvin.edu
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:10:21 PM
> > Subject: RE: [asa] Flat Earth in earlier Christendom
> >
> > Maybe he has heard of what Nebuchadnezzar said in Daniel 4:11 about what
> > he had dreamed. See also Matthew 4:8.
> >
> > Gordon Brown (ASA member)
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, George Cooper wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone know the answer to the other question posed?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "He [the astrophysicist] also claims the Bible says Paul in
> Revelations
> > > (ha!) climbed a tall tree and saw the edges of the Earth. Is
> there any
> > > related verse about this?"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Coope
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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