Re: [asa] RE: Apologetics Conference 2008

I'd like to see more of a clear statement from WLC on point 1 below. And if
that's the case, why start investing in the ID stuff?

David W. Opderbeck
Associate Professor of Law
Seton Hall University Law School
Gibbons Institute of Law, Science & Technology

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Schwarzwald <schwarzwald@gmail.com> wrote:

> 1. Why aren't the reasons he gives good enough? If TE is true, if some form
> of ID is true, or if some form of progressive creationism or otherwise is
> true, he sees no biblical conflict or threat to his faith. So he has no
> theological pressure to commit - and since the whole debate is politically
> charged, plenty of reason to be cautious.
> 2. 'Accepts evolution' is loaded. The same book where he shows an
> acceptance of evolution is the same book where he's arguing that there is
> tremendous design apparent in evolution, along within other natural settings
> - he accepts evolution in a way markedly different from, say, Ken Miller.
> Besides, what's being appealed to are Denton's arguments - not Denton
> himself. If Darwin recanted and dismissed all his theories on his deathbed,
> would it be improper to refer to his earlier works if it was believed the
> points were persuasive?
>
> BTW - I assume you'll take back the charge that WLC is a coward? Since in
> this article and apparently his podcast (I have yet to listen to it), he not
> only discusses evolution, but argues that it's entirely compatible with
> Christianity, and doesn't even require interventions in order to be so.
> Rather speaks against the idea that he's afraid of talking about this
> subject, or against defending a 'naturally unfolding' biological world.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Dehler, Bernie <bernie.dehler@intel.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks for that link. Two things:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. He claims to be agnostic on the fact of evolution. I wonder why
>> that is… I mean the real reason.
>> 2. He appeals to Michael Denton for arguments against evolution. Just
>> like my Theology teacher did. Then I found out, after finishing the class,
>> Denton's book (Evolution in Crisis) was really old and now Denton accepts
>> evolution! Why appeal to the old Denton when the new Denton no longer
>> believes it ???
>>
>>
>>
>> …Bernie
>>
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>> *From:* asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] *On
>> Behalf Of *Schwarzwald
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:50 PM
>> *To:* asa@calvin.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [asa] RE: Apologetics Conference 2008
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>>
>> Funny timing in that regard. Just today WLC updated Reasonable Faith about
>> this very topic.
>>
>> http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/PageServer?pagename=q_and_a
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:35 AM, Dehler, Bernie <bernie.dehler@intel.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Looking at their agenda- looks like evolution is not a topic. From
>> listening to William Lane Craig, I get the impression that he dodges the
>> question of evolution at every opportunity. He's afraid to address it
>> head-on in my experience. I've listened to a lot of his podcasts. I like
>> him a lot- just think he is a coward in that respect... especially since he
>> claims to be on the forefront of apologetics.
>>
>> My guess is he thinks that the Christian faithful isn't yet ready to
>> accept evolution, and so he avoids it, by saying other philosophical points
>> make the debate unimportant. (The evidence for a Creator means you don't
>> have to accept a naturalistic godless universe... but what about evolution
>> as God's method of design??? I don't think he'll address it.)
>>
>> ...Bernie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
>> Behalf Of Alexanian, Moorad
>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:16 PM
>> To: AmericanScientificAffiliation
>> Subject: [asa] Apologetics Conference 2008
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>> http://apologeticsconference.com/ <http://apologeticsconference.com/>
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>> November 20-22, 2008
>> Smithfield, Rhode Island
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>> Inspirational Speakers:
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>> William Lane Craig
>> Paul Copan
>> Gary Habermas
>> Craig Evans
>> Darrell Bock
>> Charles Quarles
>> Brett Kunkle
>> And Many More <http://apologeticsconference.com/speakers.html <
>> http://apologeticsconference.com/speakers.html> >
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