RE: [asa] Plot of radiometric dates

Hi Jon:

A worldwide flood is only necessary if one has a YEC mentality. They
need it to sequence the fossil record, otherwise the record was laid
down in time and they don't allow any time. If we believe in an old
universe on the order of 13.7 billion years and a 4.55 billion year-old
earth then we can jettison the global flood notion for which there is no
physical evidence anyway.

I don't remember RTB pushing for any global flood. Their scenario
doesn't require it. They do have to figure out how to dispose of all
the homonids that lived prior to the date at which they place Adam so
their genes don't wind up in our gene pool. They have to live in denial
of all the genetic evidence that links our species with creatures more
hairy. No brachiating forebears allowed on our family tree.

Dick Fischer, GPA president
Genesis Proclaimed Association
"Finding Harmony in Bible, Science and History"
www.genesisproclaimed.org

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of Jon Tandy
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:57 PM
To: 'gordon brown'; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: RE: [asa] Plot of radiometric dates

I am quite sure there was something on this, but I asked and my parents
couldn't remember all the details. They said there was someone else
with
him at this conference in Philadelphia in about 1990, and it could have
been
the other person who suggested it (they couldn't remember the name). I
do
remember it, because the information my parents brought back was
influential
on me, and I held for many years afterward a view that embraced the
evidence
for the age of the universe and the earth (Hugh Ross clearly taught
that),
and simultaneously holding to a conventional view of a worldwide flood
around 2500-3000 B.C.

Anyway, my reason for asking the question now is just a passing
curiosity
about RTB's or Ross' views then and now, and also whether anyone else
had
heard this particular claim.

Jon Tandy

-----Original Message-----
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of gordon brown
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:52 AM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] Plot of radiometric dates

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, Jon Tandy wrote:

> Years ago, about 1990, my parents attended a seminar by Hugh Ross.
> According to my recollection (which arguably could be incorrect) one
> of the points that they came back with was a claim that if you plot
> all the measured ages obtained from radiometric dating (or was it
> specifically
> Carbon-14 dating?) of various material and fossil samples, the
> measurements go back to around 2500 B.C., then suddenly shoot
> exponentially up into the millions of years. The implication was that

> something dramatically happened (i.e. worldwide flood?) at about that
> time which skewed the decay processes or our measurement of them, and
> thus reliance on those dating methods is questionable before that
time.
>
>
>
> For those knowledgeable about RTB, is this something that was in the
> past taught by RTB? If so, is it still taught? More generally, is
> this a claim that anyone has run across, and what is its basis? I
> could provide several answers based on my knowledge of the processes
> involved, but I suspect the claim (if I'm remembering it anywhere
> close to accurately) is pretty well bogus.
>

This does not sound like Hugh Ross or RTB. In fact, it reminds me of
YECs.
I think that the main place where Ross's views on dates differ from the
scientific consensus is in how far back in time our species goes, but he
seems to have have gradually over the years moved his date further back.

Note that I refer here only to his views on dates, not on method of
creation.

Gordon Brown (ASA member)

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