Re: [asa] Phillip Johnson quote on ID

I was talking about ID as understood by those in the ID movement.

No, I don't think I "can place all of human inquiry/expression into two tidy boxes called 'Science' and 'Religion'." 1st, there's some overlap between science & religion but if ID isn't either then it isn't in their intersection. & 2d, there are other areas besides those. But is ID art? sports? literature?

As you may have guessed, my question was largely rhetorical. ID is primarily a religious movement trying - unsuccesfully - to clothe itself with science.

& on an even less respectful note, Johnson's language about ID "scientific people ... working out a positive theory" reminded me of the King and his magicians in Dr. Seuss's Bartholomew and the Oobleck, which I thought was the funniest book in the world when I was 7.

    "I wish," spoke the King, "to have you make something fall from my skies that no other kingdom has ever had before. What can you do? What will you make?"

    For a moment they stood thinking, blinking their creaky eyes. Then they spoke a word ... one word ... "Oobleck."

    "Oobleck ...?" asked the King. "What will it look like?"

    "Won't look like rain. Won't look like snow.
    Won't look like fog. That's all we know.
    We just can't tell you any more.
    We've never made oobleck before."

Shalom
George
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Nucacids
  To: asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [asa] Phillip Johnson quote on ID

  Hi George,

  "So if there isn't a scientific theory & it's not religion, what is it?"

  What do you mean by "it?" Are you talking about the ID Movement? Or a hypothesis that the original life forms were designed?

  Come to think of it, do you think you can place all of human inquiry/expression into two tidy boxes called 'Science' and 'Religion'?

  - Mike Gene

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: George Murphy
    To: Jon Tandy ; 'ASA'
    Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:11 AM
    Subject: Re: [asa] Phillip Johnson quote on ID

    So if there isn't a scientific theory & it's not religion, what is it?

    Shalom
    George
    http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Jon Tandy
      To: 'ASA'
      Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:30 AM
      Subject: [asa] Phillip Johnson quote on ID

      This was mentioned on your blog, but I don't recall that it's been quoted on this list. Phillip Johnson, as interviewed by Berkeley Science Review (http://sciencereview.berkeley.edu/articles.php?issue=10&article=evolution):

      ""I considered [Dover] a loser from the start. Where you have a board writing a statement and telling the teachers to repeat it to the class, I thought that was a very bad idea."

      "I also don't think that there is really a theory of intelligent design at the present time to propose as a comparable alternative to the Darwinian theory, which is, whatever errors it might contain, a fully worked out scheme. There is no intelligent design theory that's comparable. Working out a positive theory is the job of the scientific people that we have affiliated with the movement. Some of them are quite convinced that it's doable, but that's for them to prove.No product is ready for competition in the educational world."

      Jon Tandy

      From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of David Heddle
      Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:17 PM
      To: George Murphy
      Cc: David Opderbeck; ASA
      Subject: Re: [asa] Theistic Evolutionists Clos e Ranks - Let the Bloodletting Begin!

      Here is a recap of Miller's talk when he came to CNU:

      http://helives.blogspot.com/2008/03/kenneth-millers-cnu-talk.html

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