Re: [asa] Theistic Evolutionists Clos e Ranks — Let the Bloodletting Begin!

What does Miller call himself then?

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:33 PM, David Heddle <heddle@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dembski is "sort of" going after TEs yet again:
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> http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/theoevo-vs-id-hey-who-started-this-anyway/
>
> But not really, because at the 99% level he is going after Ken Miller. I
> talked with Miller not long ago. He said (paraphrasing) "Even my friends
> call me a theistic evolutionist, *but I am not a theistic evolutionist*."
>
>
> So Dembski is bashing TEs—by using quotes from Miller—who by his own words
> is *not* a TE. It makes no sense.
>
>
> David Heddle
> Associate Professor of Physics
> Christopher Newport University, &
> The Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility
>
> http://helives.blogspot.com
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>
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:03 AM, David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Right. We all know that the history of "war" in the Church is long,
>> sordid and sad. Sigh.
>>
>> As to name calling here -- yes its different because it's not a major
>> "movement" website and the name-callers weren't public figures. It's also
>> significantly different because when I complained to the ASA leadership,
>> they reprimanded the person and there were both public apologies and private
>> reconciliation.
>>
>> I don't often agree with Ed Brayton, but he's spot on about this one,
>> unfortunately:
>> http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2008/06/dembskis_latest_silliness_1.p
>> hp#more
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Stephen Matheson <smatheso@calvin.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> David O. asks:
>>> "What I don't understand is, why respond this way? Why not let a soft
>>> answer turn away wrath?"
>>>
>>> I assume that David is referring to the disturbing words of Bill Dembski.
>>> And I think the answer to David's question is very clear. Indeed, I don't
>>> think Dembski left any doubt. If the question is "why not let a soft answer
>>> turn away wrath?" the answer is "because WAR IS THE GOAL." In fact,
>>> Dembski's crazed rage is so unrelated to the actual words to which he is
>>> "responding" that I think it's reasonable to assume that he wants nothing
>>> more than an "ugly war" and is willing to set aside both rudimentary ethics
>>> and basic reason in that wicked pursuit.
>>>
>>> How sad that the regular defenders of ID on this listserv haven't stepped
>>> forward to condemn Dembski's virulent speech. It's not too late, and now is
>>> the time. I'm afraid that Bill Dembski is beyond our help, but those who
>>> might look to the ASA for leadership/guidance on how to discuss design and
>>> natural explanation, in the context of Christian unity and devotion to the
>>> Creator, can be expected to carefully observe our response to the
>>> viciousness of his rhetoric.
>>>
>>> For Christ's sake, let's make it clear that Dembski's behavior is the
>>> antithesis of the ASA's basic values, and that no matter what we might think
>>> of the proposals of the ID movement, we will never countenance such
>>> destructively malicious conduct in the Lord's name.
>>>
>>> Steve Matheson
>>>
>>> P.S. David, I'm sorry that you've been called names here, and if I'd been
>>> here I would have strongly condemned it. But we're in a different galaxy
>>> here, don't you think?
>>>
>>> >>> "David Opderbeck" <dopderbeck@gmail.com> 06/15/08 7:33 PM >>>
>>> What I don't understand is, why respond this way? Why not let a soft
>>> answer
>>> turn away wrath? The LAST thing the Church needs is an additional ugly
>>> war
>>> between two "camps" that really have more in common than not at the end
>>> of
>>> the day.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Dave Wallace <wmdavid.wallace@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/theistic-evolutionists-close-ranks-let-the-bloodletting-begin/
>>> >
>>> > Quote from Dembski:
>>> >
>>> > You know, I would be happy to sit down with theistic evolutionists and
>>> > discuss our differences. I think they are wrong to baptize Darwin's
>>> theory
>>> > as God's mode of creation. But I don't think they are immoral or
>>> > un-Christian for holding their views.
>>> >
>>> > It seems to me that in earlier parts of his posting he did question or
>>> come
>>> > close to questioning the faith of ECs. Did not people like Ted, Rich
>>> and
>>> > other try to have a dialogue a few years back on UCD and get booted and
>>> had
>>> > their Christianity doubted, or am I becoming senile. Miller may well
>>> have
>>> > gone too far in his attack on ID but Dembski's taring all of us the way
>>> he
>>> > does seems very unfair.
>>> > Could someone please explain how if ID is supposed to be religiously
>>> > neutral, this post belongs on UcD.
>>> > Dave W (ASA member)
>>> >
>>> >
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David W. Opderbeck
>>> Associate Professor of Law
>>> Seton Hall University Law School
>>> Gibbons Institute of Law, Science & Technology
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David W. Opderbeck
>> Associate Professor of Law
>> Seton Hall University Law School
>> Gibbons Institute of Law, Science & Technology
>>
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