RE: [asa] Ken Ham admits he doesn't have all the answers... (Star light from farthest star)

That is the RTB position on this and I have had that discussion with Fuz and their staff apologist. They are forked on this "appearance of ancestry" position like the YEC's are on "appearance of age". They either have to admit that the evidence is as it looks or that God is deceptive.

But as we have discussed before, due to the theological slippery slope of where this can lead and the potential shipwrecks of people's faith that it can cause, I am no longer certain that this response by RTB is not the prudent one. At least I agree that they need to proceed very cautiously on this.

I think they could maintain a little more scientific credibility by qualifying their response and saying that God could have created us gradually if the evidence showed that but unfortunately I think that threatens their entire concordist model. This needs to be rethought and I think they could greatly contribute to resolving the science/faith debate but helping lead the church in formulating a new theology that takes into account gradual creation but still upholds the rest of evangelical Christianity.

Thanks

John

--- On Mon, 6/9/08, Dehler, Bernie <bernie.dehler@intel.com> wrote:

> From: Dehler, Bernie <bernie.dehler@intel.com>
> Subject: RE: [asa] Ken Ham admits he doesn't have all the answers... (Star light from farthest star)
> To:
> Cc: "ASA List" <asa@lists.calvin.edu>
> Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 1:52 PM
> About Hugh Ross (RTB):
>
> Hugh Ross was here- saw him last Saturday night here in
> Portland Oregon.
> I asked a question about DNA evidence for evolution. I was
> disappointed. A major part of his answer was "wait
> and see" as the next
> year should bring discoveries that prove some of these
> models wrong
> (RTB, evolutary models, YEC models, etc).
>
> I was disappointed overall. He only had time for about 30
> min. of Q&A--
> barely scratched the surface. And he went on and on about
> a global
> warning question that was a good answer, but I don't
> think even relevant
> to the "origin's issues".
>
> I wish I could have a dialogue with him on the DNA evidence
> for ape-like
> to man evolution. I had the recent ASA journal article
> with me that
> mentioned all the lines of DNA evidence for this (jumping
> genes, etc.).
> Anyway- it was nice seeing him in person.
>
> ,,,Bernie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Walley [mailto:john_walley@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 10:34 AM
> To: Dehler, Bernie
> Cc: ASA List
> Subject: Re: [asa] Ken Ham admits he doesn't have all
> the answers...
> (Star light from farthest star)
>
> This is consistent with his response on this question from
> his "Answers"
> book. The last question is this and he attempts to offer an
> explanation
> for it by saying that some believe in the "Appearance
> of Age" theory but
> he himself admits that it is unsatisfactory since that
> makes God looks
> deceptive.
>
> He concludes in his book with very similar language as this
> that we
> really just don't know and have to trust. This really
> was unconvcing to
> me as this was the first book I read when I was searching
> out this issue
> and this lack of response on this issue was instrumental in
> leading me
> away from YEC to the RTB position.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>
> --- On Mon, 6/9/08, Dehler, Bernie
> <bernie.dehler@intel.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Dehler, Bernie <bernie.dehler@intel.com>
> > Subject: [asa] Ken Ham admits he doesn't have all
> the answers... (Star
> light from farthest star)
> > To:
> > Cc: "ASA List" <asa@lists.calvin.edu>
> > Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 1:21 PM
> > I was listening to (YEC) Ken Ham (Answers in Genesis)
> this
> > morning on my
> > ipod:
> >
> >
> >
> > Ken Ham:
> >
> > "Now- let me add this. We're not going to
> have
> > all the answers. There
> > will be some things like the issue of light from the
> > farthest star in a
> > young universe... we don't have all the
> answers."
> >
> >
> >
> > I was surprised to hear him admit that. This was
> > apparently in a sermon
> > to a YEC-friendly church congregation.
> >
> >
> >
> > Source:
> >
> > Answers in Genesis iTunes Podcast
> >
> > "Sermon: Six Days & The Eisegesis
> Problem",
> > time into program: 1:09:12
> >
> > (You just need the free iTunes PC software to get it-
> iPOD
> > not required.
> > Podcasts are free, too.)
> >
> >
> >
> > ...Bernie
>
>
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