Re: [asa] Saving Darwin: What theological changes are required?

From: Jim Armstrong <jarmstro@qwest.net>
Date: Mon Jun 09 2008 - 11:58:33 EDT
I am disposed to agree with all three, though I do not sense the urgency to add "now!" to the "musts". 
But then, I am a Friend (and enjoyer, and beneficiary) of ASA.

I think the answers to these challenges for a particular person revolve about what is perceived to be at stake in their view.
As one who grew up in comfort with evolution as an established biological "mechanism", I have not found it to be all that disruptive to my faith walk.
I have, admittedly, shifted over time to some perspectives that lie outside mainstream orthodoxy. But I cannot trace those moves to the influence of evolution.

Re 1 - What's really at stake in Adam and Eve? The account of Adam and Eve provides an explanation for the origins of disobedience. But, at the end of the day, they are not really responsible for any personal distancing from the relationship and intent of God. So if we did not have that account at all, would then our sense of distance and need for reconciliation cease to exist? I think not. That sense and felt need exists for virtually all people groups, though their particular stories (and names for God) vary quite a bit.

Re 2 - What is really at stake in the Fall? The story provides a way of accounting for how human-action-referenced bad things came to be a part of our world. But again, in the presence of volitional action, bad and even destructive choices are within the range of choices accompanying free will. The Fall  provides a simple-to-understand background story, but seems to me to give rise to all sorts of troubling contradictions. For example, on the one hand, Genesis records that Creation is "good", and yet somehow the action of a single miniscule individual (or two) has the capacity to derail the central plan of the God of all of Creation. That makes no sense when a very simple alternative explanation of the troublesome actions of man being an artifact of the divine and intentional gift of true free will suffice. The idea that some hold that man is somehow capable of corrupting all of God-caused Creation verges on monstrous egotism (in my view). We clearly have that "morally ambiguous character", regardless of what mode of man's creation is invoked, so this question woul not appear to be specifically evolution-linked.

Re 3 - What is a stake here? Ego, I think. Objections to this one strike me as of necessity being essentially anthropocentric. In a terrestrial view, every people group has a creation story in which they are the central figures. What would keep that from being the case for any sentient being, terrestrial or not? In that larger view, all of Creation is in some measure a reflection of the Creator, bearing the "fingerprints" of the creative divinity. As humans, we have some distinctive attributes that let us conceptualize and speculate about things in ways that presumeably other living creatures don't, at least to this degree and in this form. But to suggest that the imago dei  "must be" constrained to human kind alone seems to be to be presumptious at a minimum, and in reality out of touch with the true nature and transcendancy of God whose way of existence and intentions lie so far beyond our ken. Again, I don't this "must" is forced to be solely associated with evolution.

Focusing for a moment on the central figure of Jesus, which of these really negates any of the personal relationship, wisdom, or redemptive aspects of Jesus? None, I think.

Living in the tension is fine. It can teach, and it allows time for rumination. But some commonly accommodated tensions seem unnecessary, especially when at the heart they require that the universe revolve about us.

Or so it seemeth to me....     JimA [Friend of ASA]


Steve Martin wrote:
 
Karl Giberson's "Saving Darwin" is being released tomorrow.   Today he published an article on my blog called "Evolution in Public Schools: A Threat or a Challenge?" where he summarizes his 2002 PCSF article "The teaching of Evolution in Public School".   Giberson's primary point is that the evidence does not support the claim (by Philip Johnson et al) that atheistic and anti-Christian ideas are being promoted through the teaching of evolution in public schools.  

However, it is Giberson's provocative conclusion that really got me thinking.  He states that the war in the public schools will not be concluded until the Evangelical Church confronts the theological challenges posed by evolution.   He proposes three changes that must occur:

1. We must abandon thinking of Adam and Eve as real people or even surrogates for groups of real people
2. The Fall must disappear from history as an event and become, instead, a partial insight into the morally ambiguous character with which evolution endowed our species
3. We must consider extending the imago dei, in some sense, beyond our species

Of course, the majority of Evangelicals would strenuously claim that we must NOT do any of the above, and to do so would mean the abandonment of orthodox Christianity.   Others (including myself) would claim that neither a clear-cut "must" nor "must not" is mandatory at this time.  Ie. We would rather live with the tension between the theological and scientific claims while further work proceeds.  

Quick Poll: Must, Must Not, or Neither?
I'd be interested in hearing the response of other list members to these three "musts" that Karl has proposed.  Personally, I'm not going to commit either way on any of them just yet although I'm leaning towards "must" for #1, "must not" for #3, and leaning neither way for #2. 

You can also interact directly with Karl by leaving a comment on his article at the link provided above.

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Steve Martin (CSCA)

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