Re: [asa] Miracle healing?

I fear you have not understood Dawkins on his terms. Since he has
declared himself superior to the god-idea, he can sit in judgment on it.
He does not view himself as a constitutional monarch who is limited, but
like Henry VIII who could do pretty much as he pleased. Or, to place it
in more recent terms, his approach involves /Heil mich!/.
Dave (ASA)

On Fri, 23 May 2008 20:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Christine Smith
<christine_mb_smith@yahoo.com> writes:
> I agree with Mike...I don't think miracles have to be
> "equal opportunity" Afterall, even when Jesus Himself
> walked on the earth performing miracles, not EVERYONE
> experienced them...people still died then, and got
> sick then, etc...
>
> Dawkin's choice of words though is interesting:
> "condemnation". This assumes that somehow we are
> allowed to sit in judgement of a God that has the
> power of life and death. He created us--what gives us
> the authority (and wisdom!?) to judge whether God's
> choices of life and death are wrong or right? It's
> true, we praise God for saving life...but the opposite
> of praising God' choice is not condemnation of
> God...the opposite I think is mourning God's choice. A
> mourning that God Himself shares...It was not for
> Lazarus that Jesus wept, it was for the families and
> friends that Lazarus left behind.
>
> Besides, looking at it from a "God's-eye view"...death
> is not a problem...death is not the be all end all
> that we see it as (in an earthly/secular sense)...God
> is lord over both life and death, and he can just as
> easily raise the dead as He can preserve the living.
> So for all we know, sparing the 1 and taking the 5,000
> are in the best interests of each one of them--in
> fact, from the eyes of faith, we know that this is
> so--all 5,001 of those people are in His care.
>
> In Christ,
> Christine (ASA member)
>
> --- Nucacids <nucacids@wowway.com> wrote:
>
> > "Then Dawkins asks about the 5,000 who died. Where
> > was God then, or why
> > did they all perish? Why was one child saved, and
> > glory given to God,
> > yet no condemnation for God on the 5,000 that died?"
> >
> > So God cannot perform a miracle in an individual's
> > life unless the same
> > miracle is performed for everyone?
> >
> > -Mike Gene
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dehler, Bernie" <bernie.dehler@intel.com>
> > To: <asa@calvin.edu>
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 5:04 PM
> > Subject: RE: [asa] Miracle healing?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > It reminds me of a YouTube debate I saw with
> > Richard Dawkins and Alister
> > > McGrath. I think Dawkins got him.
> > >
> > > Dawkins asked about the case of a major tragedy
> > where maybe 5,000 die,
> > > but maybe a child is pulled-out of the rubble.
> > Some people say it is a
> > > miracle... an answer to prayer. Is that a miracle;
> > an answer to prayer,
> > > Dawkin's asks?
> > >
> > > McGrath says yes, it can be.
> > >
> > > Then Dawkins asks about the 5,000 who died. Where
> > was God then, or why
> > > did they all perish? Why was one child saved, and
> > glory given to God,
> > > yet no condemnation for God on the 5,000 that
> > died?
> > >
> > > I think McGrath fumbled on that one... was caught
> > trying to appear to
> > > have an answer but really had no good reply.
> > >
> > > ...Bernie
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
> > [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
> > > Behalf Of Christine Smith
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:23 AM
> > > To: asa@calvin.edu
> > > Subject: [asa] Miracle healing?
> > >
> > > I'm no doctor, but if rigor mortis really was
> > setting
> > > in and there was zero brain function, I don't see
> > how
> > > this couldn't be a true miracle :) --any doubters
> > out
> > > there want to put out an alternative explanation??
> > >
> > http://www.newsnet5.com/health/16363548/detail.html
> > >
> > > In Christ,
> > > Christine (ASA member)
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