Re: Golden Age (was Re: [asa] Humanity and the Fall: Questions and a Survey)

Also, I'm done with this argument. Someone else can have the last word--I'll
return to lurker mode.

David Heddle

On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 8:53 PM, George Murphy <gmurphy@raex.com> wrote:

> Well, let's get our terminology clear. David objected to my statement
> that II Tim.3:16 wasn't a "standard proof text" used in support of
> the inerrancy of scripture. Opportunely, a post from another list
> participant on another thread appealed to that text in such a way & I
> pointed that out as an example of what I meant. Is that "snarkiness"?
>
> I pursue the point not because I care much if someone calls me snarky but
> because I object to the notion that showing an argument to be wrong is bad
> etiquette. Cf. C.S. Lewis's account of his first conversation with his
> tutor in which the older man concluding with "Do you not then see that you
> have no right to any opinion on the matter?" Lewis was - at least
> retrospectively - appreciative of that no-nonsense approach.
>
> Shalom
> George
> http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/ <http://web.raex.com/%7Egmurphy/>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Merv <mrb22667@kansas.net>
> *To:* David Heddle <heddle@gmail.com> ; asa@calvin.edu
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:19 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Golden Age (was Re: [asa] Humanity and the Fall: Questions
> and a Survey)
>
> There are those of us who mostly lurk, but then wish to attempt respectful
> exchanges (or try to apologize when we fall into 'snarkiness' ourselves).
> But such seems to be the list serve dynamic that the two most
> assertive-minded will start a shouting match while the attempted input from
> the rest gets ignored. I can understand George's impatience as he is
> presumably a long-time member here who sees the rest of us bringing up
> things that he has addressed a thousand times in other places as well as
> here. Yet, it may be patience that we need from him as we wrestle with this
> stuff or disagree on our own terms.
>
> I've lurked here for a year or two now, David, and while I've seen some of
> the exchanges get downright nasty, this forum doesn't get nearly so nasty
> (on average) as other places seem to towards Christians. It takes two to
> tango, so please don't blame George for all the snippiness. Since we all
> seem to be in a Timothy kind of mood, how about I Tim. 5:1 for a refreshing
> change? (and the verse right before it to remind us of the urgency of the
> topic in the first place.) Advice to Timothy here is good for us as well.
>
> 4:16 Pay attention to yourself, and to your teaching. Continue in these
> things, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear
> you. 5:1 Don't rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father; the younger
> men as brothers;
>
> --Merv (this is not a commentary on anybody's age!)
> p.s. Ephesians 4:1 - 6 would also be apropos to these occasions.
> --Among believers anyway.
>
> David Heddle wrote:
>
> George,
>
>
> BTW, I must thank you for citing 2 Tim.3:16 here - David Heddle may
>> note it as one more attempt to use that verse to establish the inerrancy of
>> scripture. I've
>>
>> already explained why it doesn't.
>>
>>
>>
> Man, I had assumed the ASA forum would be respite from the snarkiness I
> find elsewhere on the web, but it appears that I was naive.
>
> It seems to me you *want *it (2 Tim 3:16) to be the argument for
> inerrancy, perhaps because it is such a bad argument.
>
> David Heddle
> Associate Professor of Physics
> Christopher Newport University, &
> The Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility
> http://helives.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
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