Re: Golden Age (was Re: [asa] Humanity and the Fall: Questions and a Survey)

Well, let's get our terminology clear. David objected to my statement that II Tim.3:16 wasn't a "standard proof text" used in support of the inerrancy of scripture. Opportunely, a post from another list participant on another thread appealed to that text in such a way & I pointed that out as an example of what I meant. Is that "snarkiness"?

I pursue the point not because I care much if someone calls me snarky but because I object to the notion that showing an argument to be wrong is bad etiquette. Cf. C.S. Lewis's account of his first conversation with his tutor in which the older man concluding with "Do you not then see that you have no right to any opinion on the matter?" Lewis was - at least retrospectively - appreciative of that no-nonsense approach.

Shalom
George
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Merv
  To: David Heddle ; asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:19 PM
  Subject: Re: Golden Age (was Re: [asa] Humanity and the Fall: Questions and a Survey)

  There are those of us who mostly lurk, but then wish to attempt respectful exchanges (or try to apologize when we fall into 'snarkiness' ourselves). But such seems to be the list serve dynamic that the two most assertive-minded will start a shouting match while the attempted input from the rest gets ignored. I can understand George's impatience as he is presumably a long-time member here who sees the rest of us bringing up things that he has addressed a thousand times in other places as well as here. Yet, it may be patience that we need from him as we wrestle with this stuff or disagree on our own terms.

  I've lurked here for a year or two now, David, and while I've seen some of the exchanges get downright nasty, this forum doesn't get nearly so nasty (on average) as other places seem to towards Christians. It takes two to tango, so please don't blame George for all the snippiness. Since we all seem to be in a Timothy kind of mood, how about I Tim. 5:1 for a refreshing change? (and the verse right before it to remind us of the urgency of the topic in the first place.) Advice to Timothy here is good for us as well.

  4:16 Pay attention to yourself, and to your teaching. Continue in these things, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you. 5:1 Don't rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father; the younger men as brothers;

  --Merv (this is not a commentary on anybody's age!)
  p.s. Ephesians 4:1 - 6 would also be apropos to these occasions. --Among believers anyway.

  David Heddle wrote:
    George,

          BTW, I must thank you for citing 2 Tim.3:16 here - David Heddle may note it as one more attempt to use that verse to establish the inerrancy of scripture. I've

          already explained why it doesn't.

    Man, I had assumed the ASA forum would be respite from the snarkiness I find elsewhere on the web, but it appears that I was naive.

    It seems to me you want it (2 Tim 3:16) to be the argument for inerrancy, perhaps because it is such a bad argument.

    David Heddle
    Associate Professor of Physics
    Christopher Newport University, &
    The Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility
    http://helives.blogspot.com

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