Re: [asa] RATE revisited

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <dfsiemensjr@juno.com>
Date: Wed Feb 27 2008 - 12:17:38 EST

If the vav-consecutive and Qal imply historicity, then Judges 9:8-15 must
be a true account of the activity of flora. Of course, if it is merely
the standard narrative form, it may be just a story.
Dave (ASA)

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:56:22 -0500 "Randy Isaac" <randyisaac@comcast.net>
writes:
> That's a fair point, Don. It's not the grammatical usage that is the
> issue
> but the implications of it. That's what needs to be addressed. More
>
> generally, YEC is at core an issue of biblical interpretation, not a
>
> scientific debate and I was just trying to say that we've focused
> solely on
> the scientific aspects of RATE rather than the biblical
> interpretation. But
> in a way, that may be the way it should be since the primary claim
> of RATE
> is to have "discovered incredible physical evidence that supports
> what the
> Bible says about the young earth."
>
> Randy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Nield" <d.nield@auckland.ac.nz>
> To: "Randy Isaac" <randyisaac@comcast.net>
> Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [asa] RATE revisited
>
>
> > Randy:
> > I would be wary about getting involved with that. One problem
> lies in
> > the disparity between that and the rest of the RATE research.
> > My comments are based on Chapter 10 of "Thousands .. Not Billions"
> by Don
> > deYoung, reporting research by Steven Boyd.
> > The material can hardly be described as theological. Rather, it is
> very
> > limited. It involves a formal use of a statistical method to show
> that the
> > grammatical aspect of the word usage in Genesis 1:1-2:3 is typical
> of
> > narrative passages rather than poetic passages. But nobody has
> questioned
> > that. Indeed, the use of the waw-consecutive construction is
> enough to
> > show that. Boyd then makes a huge non sequitur in claiming that
> the
> > narrative passage has to be historical. Thus Boyd's research is
> actually
> > irrelevant to the RATE research with radioisotopes.
> > Don
> >
> > Randy Isaac wrote:
> >> Most of you will have received your March 2008 issue of PSCF by
> now.
> >> International recipients may take a little longer. The exchange of
>
> >> letters with the RATE team was unfortunately constrained by
> space.
> >> Therefore, we created a webpage to provide more indepth analysis.
> If
> >> you're interested, the website is here. We hope to add material
> as
> >> appropriate.
> >>
> >> In particular, I'd be interested in adding theological material.
> So far,
> >> we focused only on the science. Yet someone should address the
> RATE teams
> >> biblical interpretation. Their chapter on that topic contributed
> a
> >> detailed statistical analysis of verb-form usage to show that
> Genesis 1
> >> had to be interpreted as a historical narrative and therefore
> literal. If
> >> any of you know good material to address that, please let me
> know.
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >
> >
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