RE: [asa] Keller on Evolution

I do not think there is sufficient data to prove that "evolution has happened." It is a good working assumption that is used to analyze extant data and study the origin and development of life and all else. Suppose I were to say that I believe in the Big Bang origin of the universe and that Nature is all that there is. From the knowledge of what presently exists, I can conclude that life came out of the purely physical and that all is physical, including human consciousness and rationality. Does that differ from your position and, if so, in which way?

Moorad

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of Michael Roberts
Sent: Tue 2/26/2008 6:03 PM
To: George Murphy; ASA list
Subject: Re: [asa] Keller on Evolution

Moorad

I would second George and I get extremely irritated by your silly comments
on historical science. They exhibit a gross ignorance and misunderstanding
of what science is which includes both the historical and the experimental.
I would suggest that you complete your scientific education and find out
just how scientific and sound historical sciences like geology are.

I may add that I have questions against Keller (from the descriptions) but I
laud what he is trying to do

Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Murphy" <gmurphy@raex.com>
To: "ASA list" <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] Keller on Evolution

> Moorad -
>
> This distinction has been debated a good deal here (& in other venues), &
> as I think you know, I think it's a mistake to make it in any hard & fast
> fashion. But let's grant your point for the sake of argument. What does
> it have to do with the truth of the statement about evolution. The claim
> that Julius Caesar was assasinated in Rome in 44 B.C. is then not
> scientific but historical. Do you doubt that it's true? Perhaps you
> would argue that in this case we have "historical records" - i.e., written
> accounts - about the event. But what then about the information that
> archaeologists get from sites where we don't have written records, or at
> least records we can read, like the Indus Valley civilization?
>
> Making proper distinctions is certainly critical but sometimes the
> distinctions aren't proper & are just obfuscation.
>
> Shalom
> George
> http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alexanian, Moorad" <alexanian@uncw.edu>
> To: "David Opderbeck" <dopderbeck@gmail.com>; "George Murphy"
> <gmurphy@raex.com>
> Cc: "Steve Martin" <steven.dale.martin@gmail.com>; "Ted Davis"
> <TDavis@messiah.edu>; "asa" <asa@calvin.edu>; "Rich Blinne"
> <rich.blinne@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 8:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [asa] Keller on Evolution
>
>
> One must keep always in mind that statements like "evolution has happened"
> or "evolution is a (historical) fact" are actually historical and not
> scientific statements. Herein lies the whole issue of evolution as
> historical science rather than an experimental science.
>
>
> Moorad
>
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