Re: [asa] ID, TE, God's action, and Apologetics

On Feb 17, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Rich Blinne wrote:

>
> On Feb 17, 2008, at 8:58 PM, gordon brown wrote:
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>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008, Rich Blinne wrote:
>>
>>> The obsession with the propositional in the Biola school explains
>>> the tie with ID. I would add that so-called emergent
>>> evangelicalism is more Biblical. Scripture is full of "believe in"
>>> but has only one "believe that". By having an attenuated view of
>>> truth Doug Grootheis unintentionally sets up its opposite. The
>>> Ninth Commandment is defined in relational terms and not merely an
>>> exposition of the "law of non-contradiction". In an apologetics
>>> context, the obsession with the propositional sets up
>>> contradictions with physical scientists who have the upper hand.
>>> This produces in turn the perception that Christians are "liars
>>> for Jesus". Several years ago in an interview with Australian
>>> Radio, McGrath noted that the relational aspect of evangelicalism
>>> is an aspect that is far more potent against atheism than the
>>> debate/warfare model.
>>
>> My comment is tangential, but I am puzzled by the assertion that
>> Scripture has only one "believe that". In the New Testament there
>> are numerous instances of a form of pisteuo (believe) coupled with
>> hoti (that). Here is a list:
>> Matthew 9:28
>> Mark 11:23, 24
>> John 6:69; 8:24; 11:27,42; 13:19; 14:10,11; 16:27,30; 17:8,21; 20:31
>> Acts 9:26; 27:25
>> Romans 6:8; 10:9
>> I Thessalonians 4:14
>> Hebrews 11:6
>> I John 5:1,5
>> Perhaps I misunderstood what Rich was saying.
>>
>> Gordon Brown (ASA member)
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>
> I stand corrected. My quote was based by a statement by R.C. Sproul
> that the passage in Hebrews was the only one.

IIRC, Sproul's comments were about saving faith. I erroneously
expanded it to all references in Scripture. My apologies both to the
list and Dr. Sproul.

Rich Blinne (Member ASA)

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