Re: [asa] ID, TE, God's action, and Apologetics

On Feb 17, 2008, at 8:58 PM, gordon brown wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008, Rich Blinne wrote:
>
>> The obsession with the propositional in the Biola school explains
>> the tie with ID. I would add that so-called emergent evangelicalism
>> is more Biblical. Scripture is full of "believe in" but has only
>> one "believe that". By having an attenuated view of truth Doug
>> Grootheis unintentionally sets up its opposite. The Ninth
>> Commandment is defined in relational terms and not merely an
>> exposition of the "law of non-contradiction". In an apologetics
>> context, the obsession with the propositional sets up
>> contradictions with physical scientists who have the upper hand.
>> This produces in turn the perception that Christians are "liars for
>> Jesus". Several years ago in an interview with Australian Radio,
>> McGrath noted that the relational aspect of evangelicalism is an
>> aspect that is far more potent against atheism than the debate/
>> warfare model.
>
> My comment is tangential, but I am puzzled by the assertion that
> Scripture has only one "believe that". In the New Testament there
> are numerous instances of a form of pisteuo (believe) coupled with
> hoti (that). Here is a list:
> Matthew 9:28
> Mark 11:23, 24
> John 6:69; 8:24; 11:27,42; 13:19; 14:10,11; 16:27,30; 17:8,21; 20:31
> Acts 9:26; 27:25
> Romans 6:8; 10:9
> I Thessalonians 4:14
> Hebrews 11:6
> I John 5:1,5
> Perhaps I misunderstood what Rich was saying.
>
> Gordon Brown (ASA member)
>
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I stand corrected. My quote was based by a statement by R.C. Sproul
that the passage in Hebrews was the only one.

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