Re: [asa] A case of non-biological ID

"For the time will come (says Paul) when they will not endure sound doctrine; but...heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and shall turn away from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." (2Tm.4:3,4)

John,

Yes, the depredations of Bultmann, Tillich and others are well-known to informed bible believers. We all have a pretty good idea what the terms _demythologizing_ and _deliteralization_ mean; but they are not for us.

To take such liberties with the Judeo-Christian Scriptures is, in my view, madness; and, considering its clearly stated provenance and dire warnings, Revelation must be the one Book that it is least sensible to tamper with. However, clearly, that is a matter for you and your conscience.

With all good wishes,

Vernon
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: j burg
  To: Michael Roberts ; asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [asa] A case of non-biological ID

  "
  Are you trying to give Vernon a heart attack!!!!!:):):)(:):):):)
  "

  I certainly hope not! The issue here ought to be "Is the scripture in question meant to be read literally -- or not?" Obviously, I hold the position that it should not be and I have studied -- at least somewhat -- the arguments on both sides. As, apparently, you and most posters here have also done. Maybe Vernon has also -- but I don't detect that in his arguments.

  Burgy

   
  On 1/17/08, Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
    Are you trying to give Vernon a heart attack!!!!!:):):)(:):):):)

    Michael
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: j burg
      To: Vernon Jenkins ; asa@calvin.edu
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:49 PM
      Subject: Re: [asa] A case of non-biological ID

       
      "How else is one to read these scriptural and historical details, if not literally?"

      Read Paul Tillich. Or Marcus Borg. Or any number of other theologians who have addressed this issue headon.

      jb

       
      On 1/16/08, Vernon Jenkins <vernon.jenkins@virgin.net > wrote:
        John,

        The heart of my ' biblical ' case for 666 rather than 616 rests on the copy of the book that John was requested to write (1:19) and send to each of the 7 churches in Asia - including that at Smyrna (2:8), where Polycarp was well-placed to become acquainted with its contents.

        How else is one to read these scriptural and historical details, if not literally?

        Vernon
        www.otherbiblecode.com
        www.whatabeginning.com

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: j burg
          To: asa@calvin.edu
          Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:51 PM
          Subject: Re: [asa] A case of non-biological ID

           
          Vernon wrote: " those of us who take Book of Revelation seriously ..."

          Most of us take that book seriously. But that does not say we take it literally. There IS a difference.

          You claim the high ground by asserting you take it seriously, as if the world is divided into those who take it seriously and those who ignore it. Such is not the case.

          Burgy

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Received on Fri Jan 18 10:32:26 2008