RE: [asa] (evolutionist preachers) Discovery Institute against harmonizing?

I will also add that there are some inroads of TE evangelism being made into
the evangelical church indirectly through political avenues by conservative
political commentators like Charles Krauthammer, George Will and Larry
Arnhart who are all striving to help the church find relevance as we are,
but unfortunately their efforts have already been met by a strong rejoinder
in this book by John West and promoted by ID.

http://www.arn.org/arnproducts/php/book_show_item.php?id=112

This just proves my point again that for TE to ever be relevant in the
evangelical church, then first and foremost we need a new theology to allow
the church to consider it.

Thanks

John

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of Jack Haas
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:08 AM
To: John Walley
Cc: 'Dehler, Bernie'; '_American Sci Affil'; 'Whorton, Mark S. (MSFC-EV42)'
Subject: Re: [asa] (evolutionist preachers) Discovery Institute against
harmonizing?

Dear John:

Now where have I heard this before! Oh yes, it's what I was told 60
years ago when I announced that
I was headed to college to study geology instead of the Philadelphia
School of the Bible to train for
missionary service like many of my peers.

Oh sure, I've have and continue to struggle. That's why we have a
brain. Happily I ran into cultural
mandate thinking and was able to train students for <40 years to think
and act.

Jack Haas

John Walley wrote:
> Bernie,
>
> It has been my experience that evangelism is the first casualty of TE. Not
> because TE's don't care about evangelism because I really do but because
> once you become a TE, you realize what thin ice you are on with so many
> people and you have to tread so carefully so that you don't cause them a
> faith crisis that it is almost not worth it. At least for existing
believers
> anyway. It is natural to want to share your newfound revelation of truth
to
> all your old friends but it is not as simple as that. After trying with a
> few people you quickly get the feeling that maybe they aren't ready for it
> and it is not productive to press them with it. Plus because the new
> theological implications are so revolutionary and left open-ended compared
> to the certainty of OEC, it is real disheartening to most to make the
> journey to TE and I have heard some say they almost lose their faith over
> it. At least that has been my experience anyway.
>
> On the other hand, I have found the opposite to be true when it comes to
> non-believers or nominal believers who are not committed to any ideology
> already. For instance at work there is a guy that I know is an
evolutionist
> and we talk around these issues and have for a long time but just recently
> after I went through my TE conversion, I suddenly had new boldness to talk
> to him about it and the other day we had a really good chat. He confided
to
> me that he was raised Catholic and that he still has some twinges of faith
> in him and I was able to share with him that his faith and evolution
didn't
> have to be at odds with each other and that really seemed to be a
> revolutionary thought to him. At least he hadn't spent any time thinking
> about how that might not be a revolutionary thought. But I would never
have
> been able to gain his confidence if I was still trying to defend and OEC
or
> ID position to him since I know now he would have never stood for that.
>
> Besides Collins whom I greatly admire due to his evangelistic zeal, I
agree
> that you don't seem to hear of too many other TE's out there in
evangelistic
> circles. TE seems to be a really well kept secret. I hope that Collins and
> now Behe will change that some since they are both prominent and popular
in
> the evangelical church.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>
> ......

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