Re: [asa] Does the flagellum prove Genesis?

For the benefit of those who are less familiar with how these so
called examples of design have no relevance to ID, let me see if I can
get John to answer some questions.

1. How do you think design is inferred in case of Mount Rushmore and
Easter Island?
2. How do you think design can be inferred in case of the Universe,
certainly you cannot rely on ID's approaches of elimination of
regularity and chance so perhaps you can show us how to apply the
approaches you propose in 1 can be helpful.

It's time to take these hand waving 'arguments' and see if we can get
something more scientific out of them. Are you interested?

On Dec 8, 2007 8:34 PM, PvM <pvm.pandas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is that the best you can offer? I am amazed that with all the noise,
> ID has nothing to offer in the area of evolution?
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> Surely you do understand the difference between regular and rarefied design?
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> On Dec 8, 2007 8:06 PM, John Walley <john_walley@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > What about the Mt. Rushmore and Easter Island arguments? Who denies that
> > those were not the product of intelligent design? When you see a universe
> > constructed just so, it is rational to conclude the same about it.
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> > John
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
> > Behalf Of Randy Isaac
> > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:30 PM
> > To: asa@calvin.edu
> > Subject: Re: [asa] Does the flagellum prove Genesis?
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> > I have encouraged my ID friends, who keep saying that ID is not a negative
> > approach but a positive indicator of design, to really pursue that
> > direction. I have urged them to identify a specific example that is not
> > negative or anti-evolution but is nevertheless a positive indication of an
> > intelligent design in their opinion. I'm still waiting. Perhaps you could
> > help provide one?
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> > Randy
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> > P.S. Hint: I do have a list of candidates in mind.
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> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > From: John Walley
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> > To: 'Dehler, Bernie'
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> > Cc: asa@calvin.edu
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> > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:18 PM
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> > Subject: RE: [asa] Does the flagellum prove Genesis?
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> > Thanks!!! This nails it for me. The problem with ID is that instead of
> > being just pro-design, they went negative and anti-evolution.
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> > ...
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Received on Sat Dec 8 23:48:47 2007