RE: [asa] Origins: Francis Collins and ID

We are not sure of the actual historical development of the universe. However, God must have created from the outset all that is possible and all that actually occurred. This includes not only E. coli flagellum, but also even Isaac Newton, Max Planck, you, and me.

Moorad

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of Don Nield
Sent: Wed 12/5/2007 9:33 PM
To: IW
Cc: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] Origins: Francis Collins and ID

It is true that if God created the universe then he certainly created
the E. coli flagellum. But one cannot argue in the reverse direction.
In particular one cannot properly argue, as ID proponents do, that that
an explanation of the origin of the E. coli flagellum requires an
intelligent designer. The ID argument is essentially one of the "God of
the gaps" type.
Don

IW wrote:
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> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:16:44 +0900 Don Nield
> <d.nield@auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
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>> My answer to Iain is that a "gap argument" terminology as
>> introduced by
>> Coulson applies to gaps that can be filled in as our scientific
>> knowledge increases.
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> I apologize. I erred by mentioning the gap theory in such a way as
> to imply a link to what I was saying. I mentioned that as a jump
> off to what I wanted to say and did not mean my statements to be a
> direct argument for gap theory.
>
> An all or nothing argument is completely
>
>> different.
>> Saying that God created the whole universe is a statement at a
>> different
>> level from saying that God created the E. coli flagellum.
>> Don
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>
> ummm...how? If God created the whole universe then I assume he
> created E. coli.
>
> IW
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Received on Thu Dec 6 06:51:39 2007