Re: [asa] CDESIGN PROPONETSISTS

But the point in the Dover trial, has nothing to do with the age of the
Earth. The point is whether or not ID, specifically the form of ID present
in the Panda's and People textbook, is an attempt to establish a religion.
Clearly in this case it was.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Roberts" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>
To: "PvM" <pvm.pandas@gmail.com>; "Jack" <drsyme@cablespeed.com>
Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] CDESIGN PROPONETSISTS

> ID is not YEC evolved but a peculiar beastie with genes spliced in from
> YEC.
>
> Since 2000 YEC and ID have got closer and closer and often cant be
> differentiated.
>
> I reckon the most important issue is the age of the earth as there is no
> doubt whatsoever that the earth is billions of years old and life has been
> around for most of that time. To discuss IC evolution etc without starting
> from the vast age is simply philosophical posturing
>
> Michael
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "PvM" <pvm.pandas@gmail.com>
> To: "Jack" <drsyme@cablespeed.com>
> Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [asa] CDESIGN PROPONETSISTS
>
>
>>I was surprised to hear how many people were unaware of this very
>> ironic and telling detail of the Dover trial.
>> I am glad that Nova helped us educate people about what did happen
>> before, during and after the trial.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2007 5:05 AM, Jack <drsyme@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I do not know if this is old news or not, but did anyone see Nova last
>>> night? It was a short documentary about the Dover trial.
>>>
>>> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/
>>>
>>> It is worth watching if and when they broadcast it again.
>>>
>>> One of the more illuminating and ironic segments regarded the different
>>> drafts of Pandas and People. The lawyers for the plaintiff were trying
>>> to
>>> prove that ID was just a repackaging of what had previously been called
>>> creationism. One of the pieces of evidence was text from comparing pre
>>> and
>>> post Edwards editions of Pandas and People. After the Edwards decision
>>> the
>>> editors wanted to take "creationism" out of the book. One of the
>>> witnesses
>>> for the plaintiff found a couple of example where creationism/creator
>>> was
>>> changed to ID/design, with otherise identical wording. But the most
>>> humorous and ironic example was an attempt to remove the word
>>> creationist
>>> with the words design proponents. But something went wrong in the
>>> editing,
>>> and the actual wording in the post-Edwards draft was cdesign
>>> proponentsists.
>>> So, unkowingly, they created a "transitional form", and clear evidence
>>> that
>>> the authors of Pandas equate ID with creationism.
>>>
>>> I had never heard that little detail before, and thought it was worth
>>> mentioning here.
>>>
>>> I think CDESIGN PROPONETSISTS would make a great bumper sticker.
>>
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