RE: [asa] CDESIGN PROPONETSISTS

"Pandas" was presented to an ASA conference when it first came out. We
got copies in advance. Some of the authors were there and so was Ken
Miller. I marked up my copy in advance highlighting discrepancies and
flatly unscientific junk. In general, nearly everybody there panned it.
Whether they incorporated any of our critical comments in later editions
I don't know, I've never looked at a succeeding edition. But ASA
members were heavily involved in the project at the inception and
throughout. Remember, ID was presented first at an ASA annual
convention. At first blush it was generally warmly received. Phil
Johnson was some kind of hero in the ASA at that time much as Jimmy
Swaggert was to the Charismatics. Lawyers turned science critics should
give us a clue right from the start shouldn't it?

Dick Fischer

Dick Fischer, Genesis Proclaimed Association

Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History

 <http://www.genesisproclaimed.org/> www.genesisproclaimed.org

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:06 AM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: [asa] CDESIGN PROPONETSISTS

I do not know if this is old news or not, but did anyone see Nova last
night? It was a short documentary about the Dover trial.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/

It is worth watching if and when they broadcast it again.

One of the more illuminating and ironic segments regarded the different
drafts of Pandas and People. The lawyers for the plaintiff were trying
to prove that ID was just a repackaging of what had previously been
called creationism. One of the pieces of evidence was text from
comparing pre and post Edwards editions of Pandas and People. After the
Edwards decision the editors wanted to take "creationism" out of the
book. One of the witnesses for the plaintiff found a couple of example
where creationism/creator was changed to ID/design, with otherise
identical wording. But the most humorous and ironic example was an
attempt to remove the word creationist with the words design proponents.
But something went wrong in the editing, and the actual wording in the
post-Edwards draft was cdesign proponentsists. So, unkowingly, they
created a "transitional form", and clear evidence that the authors of
Pandas equate ID with creationism.

I had never heard that little detail before, and thought it was worth
mentioning here.

I think CDESIGN PROPONETSISTS would make a great bumper sticker.

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Received on Wed Nov 14 09:37:36 2007