Re: [asa] Rush Falls for Global Warming Denier Hoax

At 02:18 PM 11/12/2007, Rich Blinne wrote:

>Because Rush doesn't understand the (undergraduate if not high
>school) physics here it makes him prone to fall for such hoaxes .."

@ And what's your excuse for being one of the deluded who believe in
the AGW hoax?

Freeman Dyson is one of the most highly respected physicists and most
definitely does understand what's going on. As with any narrow
specialization, one doesn't have to understand physics, one merely
has to be smart enough to consult the opinions of the intellectually
honest who do and are willing to say that those who believe the
computer models are "deluded", and go on to explain why.

QUOTE: "... all the fuss about global warming is grossly exaggerated.
Here I am opposing the holy brotherhood of climate model experts and
the crowd of deluded citizens who believe the numbers predicted by
the computer models.

Of course, they say, I have no degree in meteorology and I am
therefore not qualified to speak. But I have studied the climate
models and I know what they can do.

The models solve the equations of fluid dynamics, and they do a very
good job of describing the fluid motions of the atmosphere and the oceans.

They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust, the
chemistry and the biology of fields and farms and forests.

They do not begin to describe the real world that we live in.

The real world is muddy and messy and full of things that we do not
yet understand.

It is much easier for a scientist to sit in an air-conditioned
building and run computer models, than to put on winter clothes and
measure what is really happening outside in the swamps and the
clouds. That is why the climate model experts end up believing their
own models.".... Freeman Dyson,
(8/8/07)
<http://echo3.bluehornet.com/ct/ct.php?t=1522963&c=1501910315&m=m&type=1&h=F7CFB1B3D40CE8540F6A8509DE92D33F>http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dysonf07/dysonf07_index.html

QUOTE: "..The problem here is that many important processes are much
smaller than these scales. For example, cumulus clouds in the
atmosphere are critical for transferring heat and water upward and
downward, but they are typically only a few miles across and
so cannot be simulated by the climate models. ... there are not
too many ways to test the model, and projections of future climates
must necessarily involve a degree of faith. " ~ K. Emmanuel MIT

QUOTE: "..There are by now a few dozen such models in the world, but
they are not entirely independent of one another, often sharing
common pieces of computer code and common ancestors." ~ K. Emmanuel MIT

QUOTE: "The data don't matter. We're not basing our recommendations
[for reductions in carbon dioxide emissions] upon the data. We're
basing them upon the climate models" (Chris Folland, UK Meteorological Office)

QUOTE: "The climate modelers have been cheating for so long it's
almost become respectable" (Richard Kerr, discussing adjustments in
climate models, Science 1997)

..Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, former CEO of the Netherlands' Royal National
Meteorological Institute: "I am of the opinion that most scientists
engaged in the design, development, and tuning of climate models are
in fact software engineers. They are unlicensed, hence unqualified to
sell their products to society."

~ Janice

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Received on Mon Nov 12 15:34:44 2007