RE: [asa] Natural theology

Further, it could be argued that when we attempt to divorce ourselves from
the scriptures' claim of His invisible things from the creation being
clearly seen, as many secularists testify too, then perhaps we are guilty of
finding our own self-made deity such as supposed evidence to repudiate ID.

As I said, the idolatry sword cuts both ways.

Thanks

John

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of John Walley
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:54 PM
To: 'David Campbell'; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: RE: [asa] Natural theology

David,

With all due respect this is ridiculous. No one is looking for God in
science. What I am looking for is harmony and concordance between the Bible
and the natural world. This is no different than Dick looking for harmony
between anthropology and archaeology and the historical Adam or others
trying to reconcile the flood story, Joshua's long day etc, etc.

The scriptures clearly say in Romans that "For the invisible things of him
from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the
things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are
without excuse". This is not assuming that science is the center or looking
for God in science, it is finding God in Nature from the scriptures.

And in case you think this is my finding a deity of my own making, how do
you explain Rees, Hoyle and Davies coming to the same conclusion?

John

-----Original Message-----
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of David Campbell
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:09 PM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] Natural theology

> doctrine of natural revelation... I don't see how this serves any purpose
other than to
> bolster the atheist argument to further marginalize faith.

Faith is not marginalized by questioning efforts to find or not find
God in scientific data unless one assumes that science is the center.
 Creation science and ID arguments bolster such silly atheistic
arguments by buying into the claim that we should look for God in
scientific data. In reality, we will spot deities of our own making
(either imaginary supernatural beings or denial of supernatural beings
and self-worship) when we try to find a god through science, whereas
if we know God through His self-revelation in the Bible we can then
see Him in science.

-- 
Dr. David Campbell
425 Scientific Collections
University of Alabama
"I think of my happy condition, surrounded by acres of clams"
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