RE: [asa] ORIGINS: (OEC positions) pseudogenes are overwhelming evidence for evolution...?

D.F. Siemens, Jr. wrote:
"This presents one of the OEC approaches, that at various times God
added new genes to various individuals of groups and then let them
develop."

According to that view, how were new genes added... from scratch and
made perfect, or by God personally twiddling with existing DNA? I'm
only familiar with the Hugh Ross OEC position; who (or which ministry
group) represents another OEC position?

...Bernie

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From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. [mailto:dfsiemensjr@juno.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:20 PM
To: dopderbeck@gmail.com
Cc: john_walley@yahoo.com; Dehler, Bernie; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] ORIGINS: pseudogenes are overwhelming evidence for
evolution...?

This presents one of the OEC approaches, that at various times God added
new genes to various individuals of groups and then let them develop.
The other view, which I heard from Hugh Ross, is that God created every
species de novo at the appropriate time in earth history. But this means
that God is a sloppy designer or intentional deceiver unless it can be
proved that every one of these elements has a purpose. The exclusion of
perfect design applies to finite humans, but cannot apply to an
omniscient deity. It can apply to a limited deity, as in process
theology. But even here a deity should know better or not to able to
tune the world to provide a place for life. This is a radically
different notion than the use of secondary apart from the big bang, or
the big bang and origin of life, or the big bang, origin of life and the
first human

Dave (ASA).

On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:41:22 -0500 "David Opderbeck"
<dopderbeck@gmail.com> writes:

        I think a typical OEC response is that God reused the genetic
code as He progressively created. I don't think this is a terrible
response. The counter-argument is, why would God re-use "messy" code?
But why not? No one argues for "perfect" design, and any complex coding
exercise involves pieces of code that may have had some functionality in
earlier iterations but that aren't called upon in later ones. And, the
full TE position really says exactly the same thing, except that it
holds that God's causal influence was secondary rather than direct.

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