At 07:20 PM 4/16/2007, Dave Wallace wrote:
> From an Interview with Dyson reproduced on UnC
> http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/interview-with-freeman-dyson/#more-2258
>
><quote>Concerning the climate models, I know enough of the details
>to be sure that they are unreliable. They are full of fudge factors
>that are fitted to the existing climate, so the models more or less
>agree with the observed data. But there is no reason to believe that
>the same fudge factors would give the right behavior in a world with
>different chemistry, for example in a world with increased CO2 in
>the atmosphere.</quote> ~ Dyson
@ You, and others may find this interesting. Below is an excerpt of
what was posted on FR yesterday. ~ Janice
Global warming science, from a scientist (Freeman Dyson)
peoplesarchive.com/ ^ | Freeman Dyson
Posted on 04/17/2007 1:57:28 PM EDT by
<http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1818801//~namesashhousewares/>Names
Ash Housewares
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1818801/posts
Transcripts are clickable on the site too if you dont want to watch.
You can read instead.
http://www.peoplesarchive.com/home/en/collections/Science.html
Three interesting clips. This guy is not caught up in the hype over
atmospheric CO2.
He slams computer models pretty hard.
Three short videos. First one should start right away. Select the
last two on the dropdown menu on the left.
<http://www.peoplesarchive.com/browse/movies/1248/en/>http://www.peoplesarchive.com/browse/movies/1248/en/
144. Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere: the balance between vegetation
and atmosphere [Duration 00:06:33]
145. Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere: global warming and
stratospheric cooling [Duration 00:01:27]
146. Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere: conclusions [Duration 00:02:42]
Here's a link to one of his speeches:
<http://www.umich.edu/news/index.html?DysonWinCom05>http://www.umich.edu/news/index.html?DysonWinCom05
Starting with the eighth paragraph:
"...The first of my heresies says that all the fluff about global
warming is grossly exaggerated. Here I am opposing the holy
brotherhood of twilight model experts and the crowd of diluted
["deluded"?] citizens that believe the numbers predicted by their
models. Of course they say I have no degree in meteorology and I am
therefore not qualified to speak.
"...But I have studied their climate models and know what they can
do. The models solve the equations of fluid dynamics and do a very
good job of describing the fluid motions of the atmosphere and the
oceans. They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust,
the chemistry and the biology of fields, farms and forests. They do
not begin to describe the real world that we live in.
"...The real world is muddy and messy and full of things that we do
not yet understand. It is much easier for a scientist to sit in an
air-conditioned building and run computer models than to put on
winter clothes and measure what is really happening outside in the
swamps and the clouds. That's why the climate model experts end up
believing their own models.
"...There's no doubt that parts of the world are getting warmer, but
the warming is not global. The warming happens in places and times
where it is cold, in the arctic more than the tropics, in the winter
more than the summer, at night more than the daytime.
"...I'm not saying the warming doesn't cause problems, obviously it
does. Obviously we should be trying to understand it. I'm saying that
the problems are being grossly exaggerated. They take away money and
attention from other problems that are much more urgent and
important. Poverty, infectious diseases, public education and public
health. Not to mention the preservation of living creatures on land
and in the oceans..."
Actually, when Mr. Dyson said, "...the problems [of global warming]
are being grossly exaggerated...", I thought he was agreeing with ME.
My wife and I walked our property last Saturday and saw that several
large azaleas along our east driveway had been killed by our recent
"record" cold snap. When I replace those azaleas next month, I will
be encourged by the idea that young plants "fix" more CO2 than old plants.
Expanding (and restoring) my garden is the method that I have chosen
to "buy carbon credits". IMHO, my method is much more effective than
Al Gore's self-dealing scam. Not to mention a boon to my "visual" environment.
29 posted on 04/17/2007 4:05:22 PM EDT by
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