Re: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?

Just so we're not talking at cross purposes, am I right in assuming that you read Gen.10 as a collection of real genealogies - i.e., that the people who are listed there are biological descendants of Noah's 3 (real) sons?

Shalom
George
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Dick Fischer
  To: ASA
  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:45 AM
  Subject: RE: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?

  Hi George, you wrote:

  Noah, & then his sons, were Adam's direct descendants according to a literal reading of the biblical genealogies.

  Agreed. And look up the nations started by Noah's grandsons. When did the Assyrians (from Ashur) flourish? What about the Amorites? Ebla was a Canaanite city dated to roughly 3000 BC. The dates of these and related (Adamic) nations don't extend back in time to any time earlier than that. So the date for Noah and the flood can be estimated by the appearance of Noahic nations beginning in the 3rd millennium. This jibes with the 900 years or so between Abraham at 2000 BC and the flood at 2900 BC using the Septuagint and the Samaritan Pentateuch figures. It also agrees with Josephus who was an erstwhile historian and Jubilees.

  So let's pencil in 2900 BC for the flood which agrees with the dating of the flood deposits found in the central cities of Mesopotamia. And of course the flood story in Genesis has words and phrases identical to those found in the Mesopotamian flood stories.

  Now run the genealogies back to Adam and that places him somewhere in the 5th millennium, in a Neolithic time frame which agrees with all the cultural references in Genesis.

  End of problem.

  Now where is anything "devastating" to that synopsis other than the common misunderstanding that all Homo sapiens derived from Adam?

  Dick Fischer

  Dick Fischer, Genesis Proclaimed Association

  Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History

  www.genesisproclaimed.org

  -----Original Message-----
  From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of George Murphy
  Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:58 PM
  To: Dick Fischer; ASA
  Subject: Re: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?

  Shalom
  George
  http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/

    ----- Original Message -----

    From: Dick Fischer

    To: ASA

    Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:42 PM

    Subject: RE: [asa] Does ASA believe in Adam and Eve?

    Hi George, you wrote:

    According to Genesis Abraham is the ancestor not only of Israel but of Edom, the Ishmaelites & all the descendants of Keturah. So yes, he is "the father of many nations" biologically.

    But the other point I made is really more devastating to Dick's claim: The biblical ascribes the descent of many other people besides Israel to Adam.

    "Devastating"? Surely you are being over dramatic. Actually as I remember Genesis all those "other people" came from Noah through Ham, Shem, and Japheth. None of Adam's immediate kin survived the flood - unless you know of some.

    Dick Fischer

    Dick Fischer, Genesis Proclaimed Association

    Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History

    www.genesisproclaimed.org

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Received on Thu Mar 22 14:47:55 2007