Re: [asa] Creation Care

At 12:07 AM 1/20/2007, Pim wrote:

>You certainly have picked an interesting candidate to quote mine
>from. More after his quote,
>
>> "My lifetime study of Earth's climate system has humbled me. I'm
>> convinced that we have greatly underestimated the complexity of
>> this system. The
>>importance of obscure phenomena, ranging from those that control
>>the size of raindrops to those that control the amount of water
>>pouring into the deep
>>sea from the shelves of the Antarctic continent, makes reliable
>>modeling very difficult, if not impossible. If we're going to
>>predict the future, we have to achieve a much greater understanding
>>of these small-scale processes that together generate large-scale
>>effects. " http://williamcalvin.com/teaching/Broecker97.html
>><http://imager.ldeo.columbia.edu/geol_sci/html/wallace_broecker.html>Wallace
>>S. Broecker, "Will Our Ride into the Greenhouse Future be a Smooth
>>One?" GSA Today 7(5):1-7 (May 1997). Converted from 2mb .pdf file
>>at http://www.geosociety.org/pubs/gsatoday/gsat9705.htm" ~ Janice
>
>Yes, it is remarkable that the more science uncovers, the more it
>realizes that it understands so little. ...Now I am sure that Janice
>is familiar with Broecker's work ... " ~ Pim

@@@ Yes, I am. :)

Broecker sees coal as our near-term energy future. "We have enough
coal to fuel everything we do for centuries," he says. Gasoline can
now be produced from coal for $40 to $45 a barrel. The trick comes in
making coal kind to the environment. If we tack on the cost of
capturing and storing the carbon dioxide that coal emits, its price
would rise by 20 to 30 percent, according to Broecker's rough
estimate. We can handle it." ~ Froma Harrop Seattle Times
February 24, 2006

March 4, 2002 [P**s*dent B**sh's] $2 Billion, 10-Year Clean Coal
Initiative
Underway http://www.fossil.energy.gov/news/techlines/2002/tl_ccpi2002sol.html

August 26, 2001 Under [P**s*dent Cli*ton], " 'coal' was a dirty
word," ....Not so under [B*sh], whose U-turn on carbon dioxide was
the coal industry's biggest victory in [DC] in years. Though coal
produces more than half of the country's electricity, natural gas
dominates the next generation of power plants. The reason: clean air
rules. Burning coal produces a significant amount of carbon Dioxide,
which has been linked to global warming, and other elements tied to
acid rain and smog. ~ LA Times Going Backwards - B*sh's Energy Plan
Bares Industry Clout [Ch*ney]-led task force consulted extensively
with corporate executives. Its findings boosted their interests.
Environmental groups had little voice. by Judy Pasternak
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0826-02.htm

>>May I also ask Janice to refrain from name calling. Such as in the
>>part she quotes [a parrot]. [snip] ~ Pim
>> @@ You may... although I think you'd be embarrassed to be
>> cherry-picking your "outrages" again. For instance, I didn't see
>> you protesting the name-calling Michael engaged in at # 102797 on
>> Panda's Thumb. LOL
>> http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/05/yet_another_ver.html#comment-102797
>
>Why should I be protesting this instance when it was not even my
>thread at PT? Are you now holding me responsible for things I am not
>even aware off? ~ Pim

@@@ Hardly. Since you didn't protest Michael's name calling on the
ASA list on Thu, 22 Jun 2006 when he wrote this: "Here's a silly
comment from David Virtue (less), there is little doubt you would
have objected to what he wrote on Panda's Thumb when he deliberately
changed Tony Blair's name to "Bliar".

I just wanted to point it out because I think it's funny. :)

>"....Same reference but not an independent one. Nevertheless, as I
>have shown Wirth's quote hardly excuses you calling him a liar... ~ Pim

@@@ Tee hee.

>Despite the hard work and research, I appreciate the opportunities
>Janice has presented to me and others: By researching and uncovering
>the vacuities of her 'quotes' I have learned a lot about the topic
>of global warming that leads me to conclude that global warming
>deniers' case is one mostly build on smoke and mirrors. ~ Pim

@@@ You truly are quite the expert on what constitutes smoke and
mirrors, but this is the guy who is wearing the crown at the moment:
http://tinyurl.com/23xyoz

~ Janice :)

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Received on Sun Jan 21 23:45:32 2007