Re: [asa] Creation Care

>At 01:12 PM 1/19/2007, PvM wrote: On 1/19/07, Janice Matchett
><janmatch@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>@ The whole "global warming" thing is a political movement full of
>people trying to cash in on the latest "scare". ~ Janice
>
>Indeed, we have seen some good examples of political rather than
>scientific arguments about global warming based on cherry picking of
>data. I believe we all agree that we should avoid such fallacies. Of
>course global warming is also the findings by a well established
>scientific consensus based on extensive modeling and data. ~ Pim

@@ You cherry-pick and quote the arrogant "scientists" who attempt
to BS the uninitiated into swallowing the lie that "consensus" =
"science", and I'll cherry-pick the intellectually honest, humble
ones, to quote:

"My lifetime study of Earth's climate system has humbled me. I'm
convinced that we have greatly underestimated the complexity of this
system. The importance of obscure phenomena, ranging from those that
control the size of raindrops to those that control the amount of
water pouring into the deep sea from the shelves of the Antarctic
continent, makes reliable modeling very difficult, if not impossible. "
http://www.carleton.ca/~tpatters/teaching/climatechange/broecker/broecker.html
(11 of 13) [02/12/2003 10:05:30] Wallace S. Broecker, "Will Our Ride
into the Greenhouse Future be a Smooth One?" GSA Today 5/97 ~ Janice

>@ Those who insist that "consensus" is "science", are the same
>people who insist that "ID" isn't "science". ~ Janice
>
>ID isn't science because it is based mostly on our ignorance. And of
>course ID is just a minority position based mostly on poor science
>and cherry picking of data. ~ Pim

@@ Your "scientific consensus" is based on IIIO (Ignorance In and
Ignorance Out). Now THAT is ignorance and "cherry-picking of data"
in the first magnitude. Dr Broecker again: "The climate record kept
in ice and in sediment reveals that since the invention of
agriculture some 8000 yr ago, climate has remained remarkably stable.
By contrast, during the preceding 100,000 yr, climate underwent
frequent, very large, and often extremely abrupt shifts. Furthermore,
these shifts occurred in lockstep across the globe. They seem to be
telling us that Earth's climate system has several distinct and quite
different modes of operation and that it can jump from one of these
modes to another in a matter of a decade or two. So far, we know of
only one element of the climate system which has multiple modes of
operation: the oceans' thermohaline circulation. ..Perhaps the mode
shifts revealed in the climate record were initiated in the sea. This
discovery complicates predictions of the consequences of the ongoing
buildup of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere..
"
http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/BroeckerWS1997.pdf

>@ Who is kidding whom? What you have going on here is "pop-science"
>that appeals to the vacuous "pop-culture", which is so easily
>manipulated by slick advertising campaigns that it's downright
>embarrassing for the circumspect (ALWAYS the minority) to
>behold. History shows that "conventional wisdom" is hardly ever
>right, but who ever learns from history? ~ Janice
>
>Yes, we are all familiar with the slick videos from ID proponents
>show casing the bacterial flagella while failing to provide ANY
>explanation as to its origins beyond 'poof' ~ Pim

@@ Non-sequitur. I'll bet you're one of those people who actually
thinks he can get out of a speeding ticket by pointing to all the
other speeders who never get caught.

>@ Any time you see the opportunists and their mad-cap hysterical
>"useful idiots" screaming the sky is falling and blowing things
>WAAAAAY out of proportion - follow the money - pure and simple.
>
>That is a good warning and with big oil and tobacco for instance the
>money seems to be not that hard to trace.

@@ Another non-sequitur. And BTW - I think it is quite hilarious
that you would want to embarrass yourself again -- to wit::
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1765301/posts?page=5#5

>May I also ask Janice to refrain from name calling. Such as in the
>part she quotes [a parrot]. [snip] ~ Pim

@@ You may... although I think you'd be embarrassed to be
cherry-picking your "outrages" again.

For instance, I didn't see you protesting the name-calling Michael
engaged in at # 102797 on Panda's Thumb. LOL
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/05/yet_another_ver.html#comment-102797

>In fact. other than Fumento's quote, I have not been able to find an
>independent verification of Wirth's statement. Perhaps Janice can
>point us to such a source? After all the accusation of Wirth
>deserves some real supporting evidence. But maybe I am old fashioned. ~ -Pim

@@ "Old fashioned"??? Maybe just plain "old" and confused .
LOL I provided what you say you can't find in my previous
post. Here it is
again: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/839012/posts?page=5#5

~ Janice ... "A mass of Latin words falls upon the facts like soft
snow, blurring the outline and covering up all the details. The great
enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between
one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were
instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish
spurting out ink. In our age there is no such thing as "keeping out
of politics". All issues are political issues, and politics itself is
a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia. When the
general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer." - George Orwell,
writer (1903-1950)

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Received on Fri Jan 19 14:19:02 2007