[asa] Flood myths (was dinos)

I think at least some of the proliferation of flood myths could be
attributable to migration of human populations. In the case of the Native
American flood legends, I don't know that they predated the arrival of the
Spaniards, but I believe they do. I know that they had legends of a bearded
white god from far across the ocean, who died and rose from the dead; and
these legends were encountered by the earliest Spanish missionaries
throughout the Americas (much to their dismay - they attributed it to the
devil getting there first to plant false ideas about the Savior, and sought
to eradicate the Native American legends and culture in order to supplant it
with Christianity). Though many have historically discounted oceanic
contact to the Americas, there is a good deal of evidence to show there
probably was some contact with the Old World.

Jon Tandy

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Subject: Re: [asa] dinos

Re Don's note, some Native American flood myths have come to us in a form
that suggests some influence of the Noah story; probably conveyed by
Christian missionaries. I recall one myth from one of the Nortwest tribes (I

can't lay my hand on the book right now to identify it) that had obvious
affinities with the biblical story, but the latter's features were
incorporated into a more ancient framework. Perhaps the late ice age lake
that Crater Lake is a remnant would have been the original inspiration.

Bob Schneider

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From: "Don Perrett" <donperrett@theology-perspectives.net>
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Subject: RE: [asa] dinos

> Normally I don't get into the YEC/ID discussions. HOWEVER
>
> IMHO I feel that more likely than a direct descendancy from Noah,
> which cannot account for Native Americans being here before the flood,
> I believe it is more likely that the flood stories from around the
> world are in reference to past human experiences (tales) of the floods
> which likely occurred at the end of the last ice age which would have
> been seen globally but would not have been global. Being that it
> would more likely be at a more recent time, it may have been as a
> result of mountain glaciers melting
> rapidly and not the larger glaciers that may have cut the Grand Canyon for
> example. Any area in a low land near mountains with remaining ice age
> glacier caps would have experience localized (regional) flooding.
>
> As for the flying dinos, is it not likely that the tales may have
> originated
> from hypotheses drawn from those that found Ptero remains?
>
> Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]
> On Behalf Of burgytwo@juno.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:35 PM
> To: asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: [asa] dinos
>
> AIG recently tossed out the following:
>
> Q: Were dragons just mythological?
>
> A: You may have heard about the flood legends that have come down from
> many
> different people groups around the world, many of which are very similar
> to
> the Bible's account of Noah's Flood.
>
> For instance, the Australian Aborigines, before they even met
> missionaries,
> had stories about a global flood. The stories included many similarities
> to
> the Bible's account. The same can be said of the legends of the American
> Indians, Fijians, Eskimos, and other cultures all around the world.
>
> The reason for this is that these people are all descendants of Noah.
> They handed down the story of the Flood to succeeding generations. The
> stories changed over the years, but the similarities to the Bible are
> still there.
>
> The same sort of thing likely happened with dragon legends. These
> stories are based on real encounters with real beasts. The stories
> exist all over the world, handed down from generation to generation.
>
> What were the dragons? When you read about the descriptions of many of
> these
> dragons in the old history books, you will see that they fit with many of
> the descriptions we have today of dinosaurs.
>
> Yes, dragons were probably dinosaurs!
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Now I'm going to confess that the first time I saw this argument, it
> argued
> (for me) somewhat persuasively that -- perhaps -- dinos and humanity
> existed
> at the same 6time. The stories in the book of Job reinforced this. Then
> when
> I saw dino tracks in a river in San Rose
> (?) Texas, the credibility increased. Those tracks "looked" fresh -- not
> 100
> MY old. (They still do).
>
> So to a limited extent I stll hold a small chance (.01% perhaps) that
> dinos
> did survive into recent times.
>
> Of course, that possibility has nothing to do with the YEC view, I
> think. Should a living T Rex be found in -- say -- S America, it WOULD
> be interesting. I keep hoping ... .
>
> Burgy
>
>
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