Re: [asa] YEC and ID arguments

David Opderbeck wrote.

> It seems to me that S.C. Morris is saying science can show God, at
> least in
> the modest sense of pointing towards God that even Pascal could
> live with.
> And if "removing the dark glasses" means we can see God in the
> complexity and
> beauty of evolutionary convergence, I can't see how that God is any
> less a
> bearded guy in a lab coat than the God whose wisdom and beauty are
> shown in
> the incredibly improbable complexities of the blood clotting
> cascade and the
> bacterial flagellum. I'm not really convinced that the issues with
> ID are
> primarily theological, so long as one isn't a panentheist. I think
> they're
> largely political and rhetorical, perhaps becoming theological when
> ID proponents
> make stronger claims about what ID arguments supposedly "prove".
>

They do seem more like aesthetic arguments, however,
perhaps you're right. I suspect we have all been captivated
by science and feel we have to make appeals with it. It
just has so much pizzazz and drama that it is hard to notice
the gewgaw and the props. I've certainly invested a lot into
understanding science, thinking it might answer my questions.

Finally, it seems to come down to what you believe in your
heart. Like Iain said, if you believe in God, then the
"watch" before us was "made", yet if not, then the that same
"watch" may just simply have appeared. I sometimes wish that
even a little money would just "appear" that way for me,
but maybe I am more Bayesian than I think.

One thing I found very surprising about St Augustine's
"Confessions" is that he doesn't read Gen 1:1 anything
like we typically try to, yet there is no doubt he is
serious about truth.

by Grace we proceed,
Wayne

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Received on Fri Oct 27 01:55:41 2006