Re: [asa] RE: Conway Morris-- Boyle Lecture : was YEC and ID arguments

And BTW, the Christians in Science website is beautifully designed. Clean,
easily accessible, contemporary, etc.

On 10/25/06, David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you for these links. Denis Alexander's materials are very helpful
> in clarifying what he calls a modest natural theology from some of the
> stronger claims of ID.
>
> On 10/25/06, Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Also useful are articles for the conference on Design on 18 March 2006
> > on
> > the Christians in science website.www.cis.org.uk.
> >
> > Michael
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Austerberry, Charles" <cfauster@creighton.edu>
> > To: "Don Nield" < d.nield@auckland.ac.nz>
> > Cc: <asa@lists.calvin.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:13 AM
> > Subject: [asa] RE: Conway Morris-- Boyle Lecture : was YEC and ID
> > arguments
> >
> >
> > I'm glad for the reference.
> >
> > I should note that the Church Times article was published at the time of
> > the
> > Boyle Lecture. In fact, originally there was a link to the entire text
> > of
> > the lecture on-line, but that link is now inactive, probably because the
> >
> > lecture has been published in Science and Christian Belief and is now
> > available free only to subscribers. However, that same April 2006 issue
> > does have a free sample article on design in nature by Oliver Barclay:
> >
> >
> > http://www.scienceandchristianbelief.org/articles/SCB%2018-1%20Barclay.pdf
> >
> >
> > Charles (Chuck) F. Austerberry, Ph.D.
> > Assistant Professor of Biology
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> >
> > Phone: 402-280-2154
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Don Nield [mailto: d.nield@auckland.ac.nz]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:54 PM
> > To: Austerberry, Charles
> > Cc: asa@lists.calvin.edu
> > Subject: Conway Morris-- Boyle Lecture : was YEC and ID arguments
> >
> > It is interesting that the Church Times has just caught up with this.
> > The complete text of this Boyle Lecture, plus commentary by 3 other
> > people,
> > plus response by Conway Morris, was published in Science and Christian
> > Belief, volume 18, part 1, April, 2006. I strongly recommend this paper.
> > (I
> > should add the disclaimer that I am biased -- Conway Morris and I are
> > both
> > members of St John's College, Cambridge.) Don
> >
> > Austerberry, Charles wrote:
> >
> > >In Simon Conway Morris' words:
> > >
> > >"In my opinion, ID is a false and misleading attraction. There would be
> > >little point in reiterating the many objections raised against ID,
> > >especially those made by the scientific colleagues, but opponents, of
> > >Michael Behe and Bill Dembski, its two principal proponents.
> > >
> > >Rather, ID has a more interesting failing, a theological failing.
> > Consider
> > >a possible analogy, that of Gnosticism. Who knows where this claptrap
> > come
> > >from, but it could have been an attempt to reconcile orphic and
> > mithraic
> > >mysteries with a new, and, to many in the Ancient World, a very
> > dangerous
> > >Christianity.
> > >
> > >So, too, in our culture, those given over to being worshippers of the
> > >machine and the computer model, those admirers of organised efficiency
> > -
> > >they would not expect the Creator (that is, the one identified as the
> > >engineer of the bacterial flagellar motor, or whatever your favourite
> > case
> > >study of ID might be) to be encumbered with the customary cliché of
> > bearing
> > >a large white beard, but to be the very model of scientific efficiency,
> > and
> > >so don a very large white coat. ID is surely the deist's option, and
> > one
> > >that turns its back not only on the richness and beauty of creation,
> > but,
> > >as importantly, on its limitless possibilities. It is a theology for
> > >control freaks.
> > >
> > >To question ID might generate a ripple of applause from neo-Darwinians,
> >
> > >until they recall that theology is not a fad, a pastime for eccentrics,
> > but
> > >central to our enterprise. Such an approach may not only be consistent
> > with
> > >evolution, but can also resonate with orthodox Christian theology - the
> >
> > >fall, the incarnation and the end times."
> > >
> > >
> > >http://www.churchtimes.co.uk/churchtimes/website/pages.nsf/httppublicpa
> >
> > >ges/63693299A537AEDD80256FB2003650C7
> > >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:51:02 -0400
> > >From: "David Opderbeck" < dopderbeck@gmail.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [asa] YEC and ID arguments
> > >
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> > >*An argument for theism/design based on convergent evolution is simply
> > >a non
> > >sequiteur.*
> > >
> > >So you didn't like Simon Conway Morriss' recent book?
> > >
> > >
> > >
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