Re: [asa] RE: Conway Morris-- Boyle Lecture : was YEC and ID arguments

Thank you for these links. Denis Alexander's materials are very helpful in
clarifying what he calls a modest natural theology from some of the stronger
claims of ID.

On 10/25/06, Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Also useful are articles for the conference on Design on 18 March 2006 on
> the Christians in science website.www.cis.org.uk.
>
> Michael
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Austerberry, Charles" <cfauster@creighton.edu>
> To: "Don Nield" <d.nield@auckland.ac.nz>
> Cc: <asa@lists.calvin.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:13 AM
> Subject: [asa] RE: Conway Morris-- Boyle Lecture : was YEC and ID
> arguments
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>
> I'm glad for the reference.
>
> I should note that the Church Times article was published at the time of
> the
> Boyle Lecture. In fact, originally there was a link to the entire text of
> the lecture on-line, but that link is now inactive, probably because the
> lecture has been published in Science and Christian Belief and is now
> available free only to subscribers. However, that same April 2006 issue
> does have a free sample article on design in nature by Oliver Barclay:
>
> http://www.scienceandchristianbelief.org/articles/SCB%2018-1%20Barclay.pdf
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Nield [mailto:d.nield@auckland.ac.nz]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:54 PM
> To: Austerberry, Charles
> Cc: asa@lists.calvin.edu
> Subject: Conway Morris-- Boyle Lecture : was YEC and ID arguments
>
> It is interesting that the Church Times has just caught up with this.
> The complete text of this Boyle Lecture, plus commentary by 3 other
> people,
> plus response by Conway Morris, was published in Science and Christian
> Belief, volume 18, part 1, April, 2006. I strongly recommend this paper.
> (I
> should add the disclaimer that I am biased -- Conway Morris and I are both
> members of St John's College, Cambridge.) Don
>
> Austerberry, Charles wrote:
>
> >In Simon Conway Morris' words:
> >
> >"In my opinion, ID is a false and misleading attraction. There would be
> >little point in reiterating the many objections raised against ID,
> >especially those made by the scientific colleagues, but opponents, of
> >Michael Behe and Bill Dembski, its two principal proponents.
> >
> >Rather, ID has a more interesting failing, a theological failing.
> Consider
> >a possible analogy, that of Gnosticism. Who knows where this claptrap
> come
> >from, but it could have been an attempt to reconcile orphic and mithraic
> >mysteries with a new, and, to many in the Ancient World, a very dangerous
> >Christianity.
> >
> >So, too, in our culture, those given over to being worshippers of the
> >machine and the computer model, those admirers of organised efficiency -
> >they would not expect the Creator (that is, the one identified as the
> >engineer of the bacterial flagellar motor, or whatever your favourite
> case
> >study of ID might be) to be encumbered with the customary cliché of
> bearing
> >a large white beard, but to be the very model of scientific efficiency,
> and
> >so don a very large white coat. ID is surely the deist's option, and one
> >that turns its back not only on the richness and beauty of creation, but,
> >as importantly, on its limitless possibilities. It is a theology for
> >control freaks.
> >
> >To question ID might generate a ripple of applause from neo-Darwinians,
> >until they recall that theology is not a fad, a pastime for eccentrics,
> but
> >central to our enterprise. Such an approach may not only be consistent
> with
> >evolution, but can also resonate with orthodox Christian theology - the
> >fall, the incarnation and the end times."
> >
> >
> >http://www.churchtimes.co.uk/churchtimes/website/pages.nsf/httppublicpa
> >ges/63693299A537AEDD80256FB2003650C7
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> >
> >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:51:02 -0400
> >From: "David Opderbeck" <dopderbeck@gmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [asa] YEC and ID arguments
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> >*An argument for theism/design based on convergent evolution is simply
> >a non
> >sequiteur.*
> >
> >So you didn't like Simon Conway Morriss' recent book?
> >
> >
> >
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