Re: Re: [asa] Opposing Anti-Evolution

On 7/18/06, RFaussette@aol.com <RFaussette@aol.com> wrote:
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> In a message dated 7/17/2006 8:24:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dawsonzhu
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> Since the simple have been spared _this_ pride, perhaps they
> have an easier time coming to Godly wisdom and living
> by it. And as Augustine (and others) acknowledge, the pure
> and simple already get this point whereas those who call
> themselves wise and intelligent remain as stubborn and stupid
> as an ass.
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> And that answers Rich's objection. The pure and simple are not worldly wise.
> Their wisdom is in their obedience. True wisdom is in surrendering to God.
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> rich faussette

No, because I never had a problem with the fact being learned can
cause pride (or for that matter that what you just said because true
wisdom is indeed trusting God). I have a problem with the fact that
being learned can cause pride contradicts your naked assertion that
God prefers the learned because God opposes the proud and accepts the
meek regardless of whether they are wise or simple.

There is a hope that is missing from Rich's version of things. You
don't need to be wise or strong or beautiful or learned to be accepted
by God. You simply need to trust him as a child. Scripture is right to
call this true wisdom but it looks nothing as the World would define
wisdom.

Wayne, pride is certainly part of the issue here. Not 1 Cor. 8:

Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 2The man who thinks he knows
something does not yet know as he ought to know. 3But the man who
loves God is known by God.

Still, there is more to it. Note in the original passage I quoted:

For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not
know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached
to save **those who believe**.

And John 3:3:
In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the
kingdom of God unless he is born again."

What's tied here to knowledge is belief. The reason why belief is key
is by looking at the context of John 3 and also noting this in John 1:

Yet to all who received him, to those who **believed** in his name, he
gave the right to become children of God— **children born not of
natural descent**, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born
of God.

Thus, Godly wisdom has nothing to do with biology or evolution as true
as they are but rather saving faith or to use the Biblical phraseology
being born again by the Holy Spirit. Redemption does not look back to
our first birth as Rich would lead you to believe but our second.

As Anselm rightly put it:

Credo ut intelligam
(I believe that I might understand)

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Received on Tue Jul 18 09:08:23 2006