Re: [asa] Opposing Anti-Evolution

Apparently I didn't make the distinction clear, though I thought I did when I said "it is not that God calls the wise but that God makes wise those who are called. " I.e., wisdom is indeed important but it is a consequence of election rather than its cause. & that is (among other things) what Luther means.

I suspect that one of the things (though not the only thing) underlying our difference here is that between RC & Lutheran understandings of justification - a difference which, however, the recent Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification goes a significant part of the way toward bridging.

Shalom
George
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  In a message dated 7/13/2006 10:53:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, gmurphy@raex.com writes:
    1st, "learning" is of course not identical with "wisdom" in the biblical sense. & if context is the issue, the immediate context of the verses in I Corinthians should be considered. In Chapter 2 Paul makes it clear that there is an appropriate kind of wisdom for Christians which is different from the type of wisdom which he rejects in the verses Rich B cites. & in 1:30 that wisdom is identifioed preeminently with Christ himself - which in the context of that passage means Christ crucified.

    Wisdom is given to those who are in Christ, who is the incarnate wisdom of God. I.e., it is not that God calls the wise but that God makes wise those who are called. As Luther puts it in the Heidelberg theses, : “The love of God does not find, but creates, that which is pleasing to it.”

    Shalom
    George
  There is no way you can construct an argument denying that wisdom is central to salvation as in God's law being written on your heart (known intuitively) by using language like:

  "Wisdom is identified preeminently with Christ himself - which in the context of that passage means Christ crucified."

  I don't know that your response does anything at all to refute my central point. I don't even see how it relates to what I said, although I had thought at first you were contrary, it actually appears that you are agreeing with me, but you don't think you are, do you?

  Christ crucified has completed the will of the Father by KNOWING the Father's will so intuitively that he reflected God's will in his behavior even unto death.

  I'm trying to fit Luther into your argument. I don't know how you picked out that quote to reply to what I said.

  rich faussette

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