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From: <glennmorton@entouch.net>
Date: Mon May 29 2006 - 20:50:34 EDT

To Debbie Mann and Bill Hamilton

 

>>>>The Bible is very much observationally true - provided you 'grade' it upon the correct standards. The problem isn't with our religious work, it is with what we teach it to be. If the Bible is a guide for perfect understanding of man, then it is excellent. If we are to consider it to be literally true in everything it says - then it is frequently observationally false. If further, we add to this the standard of perfection, defined with our definition of 'flaw', then The Bible fails to be observationally true.

 

Is the story of Goliath true? It has a great truth about the fact that a man can have great talents and be selectively wise, while being a total blithering idiot where women are concerned. Has that changed?<<<<

 

How about grading it upon, was there a great flood that comes anywhere close to the description in the Bible?  Everyone blythly says "it was in the mesopotamian region", but there is no more evidence of this than there is for the YEC global flood. 

 

I stand on my contention that the wrong way to grade it is observationally, except where observation falsifies the Bible and then we change the rules to make that passage be merely metaphorical/theological/accommodative or some other such descriptive term.

Bill Hamilton wrote:

 

>>>Well, I may be wrong as well, but I see David's and Phil's viewpoints as having a lot in common.

 

Glenn: I don't understand your earlier response to my post. I will reiterate that to my mind you pulled a switch: you complained about the Scriptures not accurately rendering history and nature -- your implication being "how am I going to use the Scriptures to win an unbeliever to Christ if what they say about history and nature is full of inaccuracies?" Then Phil remarks that <<<

 

OK, maybe I did pull a switch. Sorry. I didn't remember having written that sentence when I said what I did, so I stand corrected. That being said, I would say this area is far more important for keeping people in the faith than attracting outsiders to it.  But, many atheists I know reject the Bible because they feel it isn't true--based upon observational data.

 

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The Holy Spirit brings people to Christ. Our role is to set a Christian example by living a Godly life, to pray for the unbeliever, and to witness to him. Leave the controversial stuff for later. If an unbeliever wants to argue about the controversial stuff, that's an indication he isn't ready to accept Christ.<<<

 

I agree with that, but as Josh McDowell says: the heart can not rejoice in what the head thinks is false!

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Received on Mon May 29 20:52:30 2006