Re: Apparent Age: Rethinking Creatio ex Nihilo

I fear you haven't gotten my point. An obfuscated falsehood is still a
lie. But what you argue is related to the philosophical levity: I say the
world was created five minutes ago. Prove me wrong. Five minutes or 6000
years make no real difference.
Dave

On Mon, 22 May 2006 19:53:47 -0400 "Josh Klose" <mrbond@hlfallout.net>
writes:
> Dave, I'm not telling you anything like that. I'm not trying to argue
> a
> certain reading of Genesis or a certain interpretation of the
> scientific
> data. Please don't confuse this with other YEC viewpoints. As far as
> I know,
> there are no "folks who join [me]" at the moment -- I'm arguing a
> viewpoint
> which hasn't really been argued much since Gosse. And I don't think
> anyone
> has argued it in this way before.
>
> I ask what a YEC type creation would look like if it occurred. My
> conclusion
> is that one should expect a generally causally consistent apparent
> age (see:
> http://www.hlfallout.net/~josh/apparent_age.pdf). If the evidence
> points to
> such a causally consistent past, then that is entirely consistent
> with my
> expectations based on YEC. Now, my expectations could be wrong (and
> the
> arguments for them flawed), but that's what I'm trying to test!
>
> -Josh
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. [mailto:dfsiemensjr@juno.com]
> Sent: Monday, 22 May 2006 3:27 PM
> To: mrbond@hlfallout.net
> Cc: pgreaves@surewest.net; asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: Re: Apparent Age: Rethinking Creatio ex Nihilo
>
> Consider: your fried Richard Roe comes to you with a proposal that
> you
> invest in New Creation bonds, headed by John Jones. New Creation has
> been
> paying excellent returns, Roe says. You find it true. But you look
> into
> it further. Roe seems to be honest, convinced that he's onto a good
> thing, and wants you to share his good fortune. However, you look
> into
> things further. New Creation is only two years old. As you
> investigate
> further, you find that Jones was indicted for fraud in another state
> and,
> as part of a plea deal, served only three years of what could have
> been a
> much longer sentence. He's still on probation for that conviction.
> Will
> you invest of, concluding that Roe has been suckered, report the
> offer to
> the DA?
>
> Josh, you tell me that God's truth is that the universe is 6000
> years
> old. God has told you so and it's the truth. But almost everybody
> that
> looks into the evidence sees a universe 13 Gy old, a solar system 5
> Gy
> old, galaxies whose light has been on the way for millions and
> billions
> of years, sorted deposits on earth giving a history of development
> for
> living things. The folks who join you in saying the earth is young
> now
> say that the data from radioisotope dating looks old, but a couple
> miracles 6000 and 4300 years ago make it look that way. But George
> Murphy
> has proved that the scheme they cite to carry away the incredible
> amounts
> of heat produced by cramming Gy in radiation into a day and a year
> respectively won't work. Do you accept "God's truth" or declare it a
> lie?
> Looks to me as though you want God to be as crooked as Jones but
> truthful
> at the same time.
> Dave
>
>
>
>
Received on Tue May 23 15:07:27 2006