RE: Are there things that don't evolve?

A simple example of what George said is placing two objects with differing temperatures in thermal contact. The initially colder will get hotter and the initially hotter will get colder. The entropy of the former goes up, whereas the entropy of the latter goes down until thermal equilibrium is achieved.

Moorad

From: George Murphy
Sent: Sat 3/25/2006 7:27 AM
To: ASA list
Subject: RE: Are there things that don't evolve?

Debbie et al -

I don't know if this will knock anyone's sock's off but Dick's right. "The law of increasing disorder (entropy)" holds for closed systems. The disorder (entropy) in an open system - i.e., one that energy & mass can flow into & out of - can decrease & that system can become more orderly. This is at the expense of a greater disorder in the system's environment. Thus you can unshuffle a deck of cards, a fertilized ovum can develop into a baby, & evolution can happen. Of course this doesn't prove that evolution does happen but the 2d law of thermodynamics isn't against it.

Shalom
George
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Fischer
To: ASA
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: Are there things that don't evolve?

Hi Debbie, you wrote:
 
Evolution bothers me theoretically because it defies the law of entropy.
 
Ah, you've been reading creationist literature. Entropy or disorder is the end result of a closed system. The universe, for example, is a closed system and eventually will run down. Our solar system, however, is an open system. The sun energizes the earth, and until the sun burns out daffodils will bloom in the springtime and entropy will be held at bay. Stick around and George Murphy will give a monosyllabic scientific explanation that will knock your socks off.
 
See, you're on the right list.
 
Dick Fischer
~Dick Fischer~ Genesis Proclaimed Association
Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
www.genesisproclaimed.org
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of Debbie Mann
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:53 PM
To: Asa
Subject: RE: [SPAM]RE: Are there things that don't evolve?
 
Response to Dick:
 
<"Isn't it just inaccurate to use the term "evolution" to mean "change"?
 
 
 
<It's more accurate to call evolution "descent with modification" if you
like a nice short definition.
 
 
'Descent'? Doesn't evolve' indicate 'ascent'? Evolution bothers me
theoretically because it defies the law of entropy. Change by simplification
wouldn't bother me - but change by complication does. I'd love it if your
definitiion was the only 'evolution' there was.
 
Debbie Mann
(765) 477-1776
 
  -----Original Message-----
  From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
Behalf Of Dick Fischer
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:00 PM
  To: ASA
  Subject: [SPAM]RE: Are there things that don't evolve?
 
 
  Hi Gregory, you wrote:
 
 
 
  "Isn't it just inaccurate to use the term "evolution" to mean "change"?
 
 
 
  It's more accurate to call evolution "descent with modification" if you
like a nice short definition.
 
 
 
  Dick Fischer
 
  ~Dick Fischer~ Genesis Proclaimed Association
 
  Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
 
  www.genesisproclaimed.org
Shalom
George
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
Received on Sat Mar 25 08:26:43 2006