Re: Alliance for Science

I don't think that ID is science or that we need to mix anything with
science to show how things work. I don't have to mix a philosophy into my
explanation of how my car works. I think the ID and creationists are
responding to the athiest philosophy (that has been feeding off of science
for a long time) by attacking science and not the naturalist philosophy.
Thats my opinion.

So if there is no absolute truth then I can believe that there is an
absolute truth and still be right...so there is an absolute truth...either
that or the idea that there is no absolute truth is an absolute truth...and
then the idea defeats itself. You have to love westernized eastern
philosophy...but to paraphrase Ravi Zacharias even in india people look both
ways before they cross the street...its either them or the car.

What morals do athiests have? Do they have to follow them? Can they change
them if they feel like it at the moment? Why should anyone else follow their
morals? If they believe that we should help preserve the Earth for later
generations why should I? because they say so? Who are they to tell me what
to do? Why should I not steal? or kill? Just because society says I
shouldn't doesn't make it wrong becuase there is no right or wrong just
opinions of different people as to what we should and shouldn't do. Why
should the majority oppose its oppinions on me? Why were the Nazis wrong to
kill the Jews and others? They were using science to try to better society
and their laws said it was a good thing to do...so what right did we have to
impose our views on them? Why did we put them on trial after the war? Why
didn't we use their laws for the trial?

Do you think that athiests want to live in harmony with any idea of
religion?

~Matt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pim van Meurs" <pimvanmeurs@yahoo.com>
Cc: "American Science Association" <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Alliance for Science

> Yes, you can always find some who will abuse science to perpetuate their
> philosophical or religious beliefs.
> I wonder if you hold similar opinions about Christians who are trying to
> mix their faith in with science in a (not so) subtle manner? I'd say that
> much of the ID movement and certainly those at the forefront, are doing
> exactly this.
> So yes, lets oppose the mixing of philosophies and science.
> I have found the whole 'atheists have no morals" a totally flawed argument
> as it is based not only on the untenable concept of absolute truths but
> also ignores how morals and laws are fluid in many aspects and serve
> mostly a societal 'survival' function.
> So how does this compare to 'Christian' morals? I could find similar sites
> with similar problems. So lets not trivialize the discussion by pointing
> out the obvious that some on all sides are abusing in some manner faith,
> science etc for their own goals.
> Whenever we make choices, we make ourselves a 'threat' to others. The real
> solution is not to threaten but to comprehend this obvious fact and search
> for ways to work and live together in a most harmonious manner. Them
> against us 'thinking' is what has caused us and is presently causing us
> much harm and pain.
>
> Do we all agree that those who abuse science to further their religious,
> or political goals are doing a disservice?
>
> Matt "Fritz" Bergin wrote:
>
>> I think we have to look at their intentions...if they just want to teach
>> science and thats it I have no problem learning from an atheist (if they
>> teach good science and that only). Unfortunately I never have had an
>> atheist teach science without their philosophy mixed in. This guy is
>> trying to be a subtle atheist in his goals of changing society so I don't
>> see why any Christians should support this. I think its interesting that
>> reading the link that atheism seems to be mostly political...do you think
>> that its roots are political and thats why it is today? I really doubt
>> that atheist will be successful in convincing most people the illusion
>> that they have any morals. I've read the humanist idea of morals...it a
>> rambling bunch of nonsense IMO...but of course they did include a
>> principle of sex and death and also experimenting to find good "morals".
>> Heres a atheist website (I find their views on Christianity very
>> funny...they really have no clue) that doesn't support the humanist
>> morals or "principles": *http://usabig.com/autonomist/humanism.html* it
>> seems that atheists can't even agree on what morals to support. Also note
>> that humanists principles are all political once they deal with the God
>> issue in the first two or so.
>> ~Matt
>>
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Received on Sat Mar 11 18:05:03 2006