RE: Fw: The Left Hand of God or "is God a socialist"

It's not a question of the specifics you point out. You are stating
specific events that occurred, with which I do not disagree. Any system
that requires that all power, resources and wealth be centrally controlled,
including corporate monopolies, are dangerous to mankind. They inevitably
lead to an abuse of the power that is inherent in having that much control
of those resources and wealth. This is not some idealistic argument against
socialism, communism or capitalism. It is a question of the individual
having GOD given control over his own life. If God gave man free will, then
no MAN can take that from him. Or do you disagree with that ideal? If you
do not see the commonality between the centralized concepts of Fascism,
Communism, and Socialism, or even Nationalism, I'm sorry. It is easy to see
but many do not wish the see the truth. And while some may accuse me of
re-writing history, let us take the time to actually look at the history.
You can read about it, but I lived it. So until you can show me that you
have lived in Russia under communism, or lived under the Baath party, which
is by their own admission Socialist, then how can anyone say that they are
better off under it. As for Western Europe you are right. They are largely
becoming socialist. France started it and why would it not return there.
But as for the economics of socialism, please identify for me, one country
in western Europe that is socialist (in principle) and that has an economy
that is growing at the rate India is (a democracy). Name one that does not
have a soon to be failing universal health care system. Even our own
experiment with social security and Medicare is failing. Its not because we
don't put enough money into it, it's because it doesn't not create money.
If you plant a seed and take care to water then something will grow and then
you can eat it. You can then repeat this process ad infinitum. If on the
other hand you only forage you may find that by consuming and not creating
you are left with nothing. This can also happen when a capitalist system
becomes a borrowing/consumer nation as is the US becoming. But if in a
capitalist system you moderate the consumption and ensure that the creation
factor is as high as or greater than the consumption then it is sustainable.
The US consumes less now than it produces. But if current trends continue
then we to could force ourselves into a situation that by default occurs in
centralized governmental economics. The US has however planted seeds of
democracy and more importantly capitalism in many places around the world.
Some of those countries took care to water it and they have grown
economically. Even some socialist countries have changed their economics
capitalism though not their political structures. China has grown and the
wealth they have has increased the conditions of living. Some have not yet
gotten the benefits of it and of course might feel left out, but over time
it will occur.

BTW, throughout history there have not been many leaders. Most have been
dictators. Whatever the title, anyone who has absolute power to dictate his
will upon another without leading by example is a dictator. A leader leads
by example, as did Christ. Sitting back in an office and telling people how
to live, where to eat, what doctor to see is not leadership, it is
dictatorship.

I hope this clears the differences for some of you. This is not a question
of who's right, or left :). It is a question of which can bring mankind
into a level of living that leads to prosperity for all. I do not have the
same abilities as Michael Jordan and therefore I will not ever win a trophy
for basketball, but I should have the right to play the game when I choose.
I may have less money than someone else, but I should have the right to make
more when I choose. And if I have nothing at all, then I should have the
right to seek help from those individuals that are willing to help me. The
idea that we should all have the same amount of everything is not only
impossible, it is un-natural. Name anything in the universe whose
dispersion rate is perfectly uniformed. You can't. Life is random. No
where in the bible does it say that all should have the same. It says that
all should have the minimum. No one person should starve. No one person
should be mistreated. No one person should suffer unjustly. Free will
cannot be stopped. Every time in history that there has been a situation in
which the free will of others has been usurped that which was doing the
usurping the free will ends up destroyed. Hebrew slavery, American slavery,
ATT monopoly. Again this is not a fight over political ideologies. It is a
question of human free will and that which encourages it, and that which
supresses it.

Don P
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Dawsonzhu@aol.com [mailto:Dawsonzhu@aol.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 20:54
  To: donperrett@interstrenuus.com
  Subject: Re: Fw: The Left Hand of God or "is God a socialist"

  Don:

    Socialism leads to poverty and when the time comes those in power will
ensure that they do not go without and the rest of the society goes without
as was the case in Russia, Iraq, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, etc.

  I think what you mean to say here is "dictatorships lead to..." Russia
was
  socialist. The Fascists persecuted the socialists. There is some
utilitarian
  concept in both Fascism and socialism, but Iraq was good old selfish
  strongarm-ism. Moreover, most of Western Europe is largely "socialist".
  Welfare, public education, medical care, and pensions are all standards
  of a socialist system.

  The main problem with the so-called communist countries probably lies
  in their histories. They have never known anything but dictatorships,
  and every example of success to them is modeled after some thug of
  one kind or another. Perhaps the thug's boot has rubber soles instead of
  steel, so it doesn't hurt as much stamping on the human face, but the
  humiliation and inhumanity is still there regardless. These are the
examples
  that the people, the society they live in, and their role models know.
They
  do not know a system where there is even the glimmering hope of justice,
  and they have no examples of people who have done right, and done well.

  So the real war, and the true victory come in raising the expectations of
  the people. And how do we do that? This is certainly by far the most
difficult
  both in time, cost and human effort.

  in Christ,
  Wayne
Received on Thu Mar 9 11:37:46 2006