Re: Special Creation

Hi David,

Ask Orson Scott Card! Seriously, though, this cross-dimensional motif
isn't that much different from the YEC view of the Fall. God
punishing the creation with a magical Gargamel's curse, turning it
into a world practically unrecognizable as the pre-Fall world, is
narratively equivalent to shunting Adam and Eve into another
dimension. "Devolution" might be a physical law of this new world,
but that doesn't mean it was a "good" law. I seem to recall that a
German book made a similar point about fallen nature
("Relativitatstheorie und Bibel"). And there are definitely books on
the multi-dimensional nature of Christ's atonement (their titles
escape me at the moment). The Flood as a Planck journey is a new one,
so far as I know.

We might well ask, too, whether the final act of Revelation was ever
meant to take place in "our" dimension. "And I saw a new heaven and a
new Earth..." (Rev 21:1) We assert "resurrection of the body" but
where will those bodies be?

Obviously SF-crazed,
Chris

On 3/2/06, David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to ask a question that will probably sound completely wacky.
> I hope I can be free to ask it without folks thinking I'm advocating
> some kind of nutty view, or that I read too much science fiction
> (which, BTW, I do). Ok, so here it is: is there any literature that
> considers the possibility that the Fall and/or the Flood were
> cross-dimensional events? I've read (or tried to read) Schroeder's
> book about Genesis and time, but I'm thinking about something a bit
> more.
>
> What if something like the multiverse theory is true? Could the
> Garden exist in a parallell universe, with Adam and Eve being expelled
> across dimensions into a much older Earth? Adam and Eve are expelled
> from the Garden and a cherubim and a "flaming sword" are placed there
> to prevent them from accessing the tree of life (Gen. 3:24). The
> "tree of life" appears again in the New Jerusalem in Rev. 22. Could
> this suggest physical locations that are not currently accessible to
> us in ordinary space?
>
> And/or could Noah have experienced some kind of relative time aboard
> the ark, such that the Flood was ~5MYA but Noah experienced it as a
> year? Could the ark have been travelling through "Planck space"?
>
> Please -- I really am a rational guy, and I find all these discussions
> fascinating and troubling at the same time. No suggestion here that
> there's any reason to believe anything like the above. But maybe it's
> possible that the ongoing work in quantum physics and cosmology will
> provide options that we're not even dreaming about now?
>
> On 3/2/06, Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > glen wrote
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > There is absolutely nothing in the Plio-pleistocene that even remotely matches a flood as described by the Bible. The latest is the infilling of the Med and that actually would begin to sound a bit like the Biblical flood. IMO, there is little reason to remain literal believing in Adam and Eve if one has no flood. One might as well go allegorical/accomodationalist all the way to Genesis 12.
> >
> >
> > That's your only solution Glenn, it is better than stretching genesis like an elastic band as Adam Sedwick said in 1858.
>
Received on Thu Mar 2 13:21:56 2006