Re: Seeing a life-giving spirit with a camcorder

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From: <steven@bowness.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: Seeing a life-giving spirit with a camcorder

> gmurphy@raex.com wrote:
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>
>> The supposed contrast between what I Cor.15 & the gospels on the
>> resurrection isn't nearly as great as suggested here. OTOH the analogies
>> Paul gives in vv.41-50 (coincidentally one of the daily lectionary
>> readings
>> for today) makes it clear that he's thinking of some continuity between
>> the
>> body that is "sown" and that which is resurrected. He is not talking
>> about
>> annihilation of the present body & repalcement of it by something else.
>
>> If Jesus - & prospectively we - are not in some sense risen in "the same
>> body" then WE aren't risen, plain & simple. Without my body I am not I.
>
>
> Bad news. The body that comes nout of the ground is not the body which
> goes into the ground.
>
> What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. When you sow, you do
> not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of
> something else. But God gives it a If there is a natural body, there is
> also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: "The first man Adam became a
> living being"[e]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual did
> not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47The first
> man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.body as he
> has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.
>
> 'You do not plant the body that will be' is pretty clear, despite 2,000
> years of people claiming that the body that will be is the body that is
> planted.
>
> Paul claims such a body will die. Now , it is pretty obvious that you can
> only be resurrected if you die, so Paul is emphasising that our current
> bodies will be dead, really dead, and God will give us a body.
>
> If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is
> written: "The first man Adam became a living being"]; the last Adam, a
> life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and
> after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the
> second man from heaven.
>
> Two bodies - first the natural body, made from the dust of the earth and
> then the spiritual body made from heaven.
>
> Paul is not very clear, as he had nothing concrete to report (I am not
> saying here that the rexsurrected body was made from concrete) He had
> nothing but theory to work with. Quite hard to describe a spiritual body ,
> one not made from flesh and blood , which cannot inherit the Kingdom of
> God.

You might note some nuances in what I wrote such as the difference between
"continuity" rather than "identity" and the phrase "in some sense."

Shalom
George
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
Received on Wed Oct 19 05:54:41 2005