Re: have we forgotten who the enemy is?

Glenn, are you really completely immune to my recent observations on the now
manifest frailty of the scientific enterprise - particularly as it relates
to the progressive undermining of God's revealed word?

Vernon
www.otherbiblecode.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Morton" <glennmorton@entouch.net>
To: "'Lawrence Johnston'" <johnston@uidaho.edu>; <asa@calvin.edu>; "'jack
syme'" <drsyme@cablespeed.com>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 12:35 AM
Subject: RE: have we forgotten who the enemy is?

> Feb 17,2005
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
>> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of Lawrence Johnston
>> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:52 AM
>> To: asa@calvin.edu; jack syme
>> Subject: Re: have we forgotten who the enemy is?
>>
>>
>> Hi, fellow Citizens of the Kingdom of God (and seekers!)
>>
>> I really appreciate Jack's starting this thread, in a very
>> revealing way.
>>
>>
>> Jack Syme wrote:
>>
>> I am not sure why the discussion on this list is always so negative
> against
>> both ID and YEC. IMO in the big picture, this battle is a minor one.
> The
>> most important belief that we all have, and share with our
> creationist
>> brothers, is the Gospel. Most evangelical Christians dont really
> care that
>> much about the creation/evolution issue, knowing Christ is much more
>> important.
>>
>> It seems to me that we are losing sight of the real enemy, which is
>> philosophical materialism, atheistic naturalism. We should be
> reaching out
>> to scientist non believers, and showing them that the Bible, and
> science are
>> compatible. This issue is more about apologetics than polemics.
>
> I will tell both of you why this issue is important. If you ever go on a
> field trip with geologists (real ones, not the ICR pseudo-rock docs) and
> listen to the geologist's comments about the creationists and what they
> teach, you will quickly find that it is almost impossible to share the
> gospel with these people because of the idiocy of the young-earth
> position. I have seen this type of situation. One geologist will say,
> "look at all those burrows, they were deposited as they are in one
> single year!" and everyone hoots and hollers, laughing. Some one will
> then chime in, "Halleluyah, right on brother!" More laughter. When a
> radio preacher comes on the radio saying false and slanderous things
> about geologist and biologists and how one can't be a christian and
> believe in evolution, the derision starts. "Hey can you believe how dumb
> you have to be to be a christian?" "Yeah, they are born with only a
> brainstem," "Yep, that is the religious part of the brain!" Such
> things make it very very difficult to share the gospel. Who wants to
> be as stupid as these YEC guys? Y'all live in your nice non-geological
> world and such things are mere abstractions to you. They are the
> reality I see.
>
> To you it is a minor thing. In my profession, YEC and even ID with some
> of their nonsense, are huge blocks to the gospel.
>
>
Received on Fri Feb 18 02:01:36 2005