RE: tsunami impact on animals

Not all thought or logic is evil. That is not what I said, nor what I
implied. What I stated is man's obsession/preoccupation with knowledge. It
is not eating which makes one fat, it is his obsession with eating. I hope
this clears things. All of us must give up our thoughts and actions to
something or someone. Our energy cannot lay dormant or atrophy will set.
The question is "to what or whom" do we give our energy. To God, our
families and to help our fellow man are the things we should give our
thoughts and deeds to. But many of us, including myself, spend excessive
amounts of time doing things for our own benefit.

Don P
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  From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
Behalf Of D. F. Siemens, Jr.
  Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 1:05 PM
  To: donperrett@genesisproclaimed.org
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  Subject: Re: tsunami impact on animals

  There's still a problem. The scripture restricts the serpent's promise to
knowing good and evil, which is neither logic nor all knowledge. If I take
you seriously, then almost all those who participate here are notoriously
wicked for using their minds to advance knowledge. I must be especially
wicked because my dissertation was on the logic of causality and related
counterfactuals. I contend that disobedience and moral depravity are not the
same as the knowledge required to care for the earth.
  Dave

  On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:21:39 -0500 "Don Perrett"
<donperrett@genesisproclaimed.org> writes:
    You are correct, but those who lose their sight will sometimes gain in
other senses. My point however was not ability, as you are implying. It
was that man has a preoccupation with logical thought, and less with what is
occurring around him. Example is a person who stares at a TV or book for
hours and cannot hear a person calling their name. Your response would
imply that this is because of a lack of senses. I am saying it is a lack of
attention. That is all I am stating. Each person as with each species has
it's own abilities, but they also have their own choice on what to direct
their attention.

    As for the "fall" I am stating that just as man's obsession with
knowledge and logic was the fall, so this is also a factor in our inability
to pay attention to what is going on around us. Many of us look at
something from logical points only and do not see the subtleties that abound
within any giving structure. It's the difference conveyed between art and
science.

    Don P
      -----Original Message-----
      From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
Behalf Of D. F. Siemens, Jr.
      Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 21:25
      To: donperrett@genesisproclaimed.org
      Cc: rmisaac@bellatlantic.net; asa@calvin.edu
      Subject: Re: tsunami impact on animals

      Small problem. Dogs have demonstrably better scenting ability than
human beings. Cats have much more sensitive eyesight in dim light. Owls,
bats and dolphins have far superior sound-ranging ability. All these are
built into the physical structures of the creatures. You can't argue that
the differing abilities of the creatures is the result of the Fall. And it
is foolish to argue that human beings had olfactory, visual and auditory
abilities equal to these creatures at any time in the past. A sensitivity to
vibration seems to fall into a similar category.
      Dave
Received on Thu Jan 13 02:01:24 2005