RE: tsunami impact on animals

You are correct, but those who lose their sight will sometimes gain in other
senses. My point however was not ability, as you are implying. It was that
man has a preoccupation with logical thought, and less with what is
occurring around him. Example is a person who stares at a TV or book for
hours and cannot hear a person calling their name. Your response would
imply that this is because of a lack of senses. I am saying it is a lack of
attention. That is all I am stating. Each person as with each species has
it's own abilities, but they also have their own choice on what to direct
their attention.

As for the "fall" I am stating that just as man's obsession with knowledge
and logic was the fall, so this is also a factor in our inability to pay
attention to what is going on around us. Many of us look at something from
logical points only and do not see the subtleties that abound within any
giving structure. It's the difference conveyed between art and science.

Don P
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  Subject: Re: tsunami impact on animals

  Small problem. Dogs have demonstrably better scenting ability than human
beings. Cats have much more sensitive eyesight in dim light. Owls, bats and
dolphins have far superior sound-ranging ability. All these are built into
the physical structures of the creatures. You can't argue that the differing
abilities of the creatures is the result of the Fall. And it is foolish to
argue that human beings had olfactory, visual and auditory abilities equal
to these creatures at any time in the past. A sensitivity to vibration seems
to fall into a similar category.
  Dave

  On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:49:50 -0500 "Don Perrett"
<donperrett@genesisproclaimed.org> writes:
    As an opinion only, I believe that "we" have the same sense, but unlike
animals, we are too rapped up in our material and "civilized" world to pay
attention to the universe (and the earth). This to me is the result of the
"fall". In our search for more understanding of right/wrong, good/evil we
have collectively ignored his creation. AS a result we pollute, destroy,
etc. Listen to God's creation. Does God send messages? Absolutely. Does
He punish? Absolutely. Some say this recent event is a message, others a
punishment, still others say it means nothing, it is only a natural process.
Natural, yes. But seeing as God created this universe and it is the very
natural and physical laws that our world follow, I would say that God did do
it. Why is another question. Punishment, perhaps, for some. A message of
hope for others. Each of us take from it what we will. But in the end it
is for our own good and God's. For perhaps the first time in years, the
people of East Timor and Indonesian government are working side by side for
a common good. That would not have happened without this event. Will they
come to peace when this has past. That is the real question. "Still they
do not repent". Besides, How many people would die if we had no hurricanes,
tornadoes, floods, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, etc? ANSWER = EVERYONE

    If one believes that the universe was created perfect, and that it still
is (regardless of man's fall), then one must also submit that all natural
acts regardless of the level of destruction and death are good from God's
perspective.

    Don P
Received on Tue Jan 11 05:23:13 2005