Re: Dick Fisher's "historical basis" remains no less doubtful

Regarding pain and animals, animals clearly learn to avoid
pain. This is why those invisible fences work to keep
dogs in the yard. ;) I dont know what other measurement
one could devise to measure an emotional response to pain
otherwise.

-On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:02:46 -0600
  "Charles Carrigan" <CCarriga@olivet.edu> wrote:
>a couple of comments below:
>
>>>> "Don Perrett" donperrett@genesisproclaimed.org>
>>>>11/20/2004 10:44:03
>PM >>
>Concerning "pain", does anyone have knowledge or evidence
>to suggest
>that other species can feel pain on an emotional level?
> I realize that
>many other species may feel pain on a physical level.
> Even a cat cries
>out during child birth, but do they have any long lasting
>emotional
>consequences of it? Humans of course have memories of
>such events on an
>emotional level and as a result may fear situations where
>pain is
>anticipated (i.e. anxiety).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>CWC
>is there any reason to think that animals are so
>fundamentally
>different that they DON'T experience this? To me, the
>fallback, logical
>starting position would be "yes, they experience
>emotional pain", and it
>would have to be shown instead that it were not the case.
> I think there
>are numerous animals have much more intelligence than we
>give them
>credit for (e.g., the famous Border Collie that made an
>issue of
>'Science' earlier this year for learning words associated
>with objects
>by process of elimination).
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>While I would agree that at the very least most parts of
>Genesis 2 are
>figurative, they may not necessarily be mythological.
> The serpent even
>in Egyptian mythology is considered the opposition to Ra
>(the sun god).
>Where the sun god and YHWH are considered good, Lucifer
>and the serpent
>are considered evil. Evil does exist and so does
>Lucifer. As for
>whether he is in fact a serpent, doubtful. Would this
>then be mythology
>or just a metaphor?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>CWC
>what's the difference between myth and metaphor? all
>mythology is
>metaphor. I suppose not all metaphors are mythology, but
>when
>discussing Christian scriptures, why should we care to
>make such
>distinctions? are we just uncomfortable with the word
>'myth'?
>
>Best,
>Charles
>
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Received on Mon Nov 22 15:04:42 2004