From: Michael Roberts (michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk)
Date: Thu Oct 30 2003 - 17:00:27 EST
I think YEC is more than a denial. Many are convinced that the wages of sin
is death and from Ro 5.12 and Gen 3 reckon that death came in at the Fall.
Now the death of Christ pays for the wages of sin, and thus if death is
pre-fall then death is not the wages of sin and thus our Lord's death is
null and void.
That argument I have outlined I reckon to be wrong but if you are locked
into it, as many YEC are, then any acceptance of death before the Fall
completely destroys any possibility of salvation.
Hence the tenacity some hold to a YEC position. Accept trilobites being
predated by bigger trilobites in 523,379,456 BC and your whole faith is
destroyed.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Hicks" <wallyshoes@mindspring.com>
To: "Ted Davis" <tdavis@messiah.edu>
Cc: <d.nield@auckland.ac.nz>; <ASA@calvin.edu>;
<michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>; <rjschn39@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Sarfati's books (was Wells and Molecular Phylogenies)
>
>
> Ted Davis wrote:
>
> > Michael wrote:
> > Back to Paul Nelson. Is he any better than a biblical flat-earther who
> > believes the earth is flat because of the only reasonable interpretation
of
> > Gen 1 6-8, Ex20, 4 and Isaiah 40 22? I cant see how he can accept
biblical
> > arguments for a young earth unless he goes for a flat earth as well.
(Please
> > no khug-khugging!)
> >
> > No, Michael, as you fully realize, Paul Nelson does not believe in a
flat
> > earth. Now let me deal with what I believe is the *real* question here:
how
> > can he accept a young earth? The answer, for Paul, is *not*
scientific--he
> > admits (unlike most YEC people) that the scientific evidence does not
favor
> > a YEC position. The answer is *moral* and *theological*, driven partly
of
> > course by scriptural concerns but also by moral concerns. He cannot
> > reconcile millions of years of suffering and death in the animal
kingdom,
> > with the love of God. I've often said, that this is the driving force
> > behind YEC; Paul is a perfect example of why I have said this.
>
> How then do they reconcile thousands of years of animal suffering and
death.
> What did they ever do wrong? Could s good God allow His own son to suuffer
pain
> and death?
>
> It is pain and suffering that causes many peole to be atheists (so they
say).
> The world is what it is. Are you suggesting that YEC is just a form of
denial?
>
> Walt
> .--
> ===================================
> Walt Hicks <wallyshoes@mindspring.com>
>
> In any consistent theory, there must
> exist true but not provable statements.
> (Godel's Theorem)
>
> You can only find the truth with logic
> If you have already found the truth
> without it. (G.K. Chesterton)
> ===================================
>
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